Tiger Predation

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Quote:Ustaad (T-24) got run off by a sloth bear when he was a young male aged 3-4 years old. Not a territorial adult male tiger, there's a big difference. I already know about the Matkasur case, but he initially fought the sloth bear. So there are not "numerous" videos of sloth bears chasing away territorial adult male tigers like you claimed, there's only very few.

Most of the videos clearly show sloth bears chasing away young juvenile tigers. Sometimes the young tigers look like their playing with the bear out of curiosity. There are also videos of adult sloth bears getting chased off by juvenile tigers and retreating back into the forest at the sight of a young tiger or tigress.

Ustaad was over 4 at the time and was also mating with a Female. So not only was he ran off during mating but both of them were actually ran off.
On top of that, I literally named 4 off the top of my head and that was just territory holding adult males, I could have doubled that amount for adult females and could add many more by doing even more due diligence. So the point being, your claim of this 

Quote:Ustaad (T-24) got run off by a sloth bear when he was a young male aged 3-4 years old. Not a territorial adult male tiger, there's a big difference. I already know about the Matkasur case, but he initially fought the sloth bear. So there are not "numerous" videos of sloth bears chasing away territorial adult male tigers like you claimed, there's only very few.

Most of the videos clearly show sloth bears chasing away young juvenile tigers. Sometimes the young tigers look like their playing with the bear out of curiosity. There are also videos of adult sloth bears getting chased off by juvenile tigers and retreating back into the forest at the sight of a young tiger or tigress.

is wrong. 

Quote:There are also videos of adult sloth bears getting chased off by juvenile tigers and retreating back into the forest at the sight of a young tiger or tigress.

I never said there wasn't, but I can all but guarantee you that there are more of Bears engaging and running off Tigers than the other way around. 

Quote:Your just gonna ignore all the boat-loads of accounts, evidence and data I posted on this forum, which clearly proves that Amur tigers regularly prey on bears?  Its a scientifically established fact, determined by scientific field studies and modern research, that Amur tigers regularly hunt and kill bears. Bear-hunting has been recently observed and reported in several young tigers and tigresses as well.

You don't seem to know how to qualify "evidence"
You think accounts with no eye witness proof or verifiable data counts as "evidence."
This is shown by you posting Valmik blanket claim.
I can post numerous eye witness accounts and videos, images and so on of real encounters showing that the relationship is far from one sided. I also have access to far more people who actually safari there often on top of doing it my self and getting numerous first hand accounts from guides and naturalists. 

Quote:Amur tigers (many individuals) frequently kill and eat adult bears, and whats impressive is, they primarily hunt bears in the summer and fall, when bears are at their peak weights, condition and full strength. And in most cases, there's no drawn out fight as your merely speculating about. The tiger swiftly dispatches even an adult bear. And this fact clearly proves that your argument is badly flawed.

What do you consider "frequently?"
Because as of now I've seen 2-3 instances of bears being predated on. And on top of that, even fewer of actual encounters and more so fecal samples which will never give you a true understanding of what occurred, the age or sex of the victim or if it were a scavenged carcass or not.

Quote:gain, in summer and autumn, in some regions and areas, bears are one of the most important prey items of the tigers diet. Making up a large significant portion, even more important than wild boar and red deer. Bears hibernate for at least 6 months in the taiga, making them inaccessible for tigers to hunt. But in summer and fall, bears are often taken by tigers.

Show me what study states that Bears make up a significant portion of a Tigers diet. On top of that, explain the process they went about determining it and the data shown to back it.  

Quote:Just very recently (March, 2022) Russian biologist and leading tiger expert, Pavel Fomenko, stated that tigers often hunt bears for a "fat tasty steak". Franz Hafner in his new documentary on Amur tigers (2021) also states that in other regions of Russia, which are devoid of tigers, bears are considered to be "apex predators", but in the Ussuri taiga, bears are no longer apex predators, because they get hunted and killed by tigers. Chris Morgan, a world renowned bear ecologist & expert, also stated that back in the U.S. the bears he studies are at the top of the food-chain, but when there are tigers in the woods, bears are on the menu.

Again, this isn't backed by fact, this is opinion. What evidence does Pavel have to state that? How many first hand accounts has he seen or heard of? You seem to put too much stock in their title and not enough in actual occurrences. Biologists can be sensationalists and make assumptions just like the rest of us. Which is why when actual predation studies come out, they contradict many so called "rules of nature" after the fact. 

Instead of quoting blanket statements that have no factual evidence, present actual data that back your claim. I.E. Research papers, eye witness accounts, videos, carcasses, hearsay and so on.

Quote:I'm talking about serious fights to the death, in which the bear would stand no chance, period. The tiger is too big, too powerful, too armed and a far superior and skilled killer. A mortal combat situation is nothing but a death sentence for even a big male sloth bear.

Right, because the small Female Sloth Bear wasn't fighting for her life against Matkasur. Again, I've seen a big, Male Sloth Bear in person and I've seen a big Male Tiger in person, they are comparable. Obviously a Tiger is bigger but not by as much as you think and in regards to more powerful, the fact that Bears run off Tigers often enough prove that the Tiger respects their power. You know the only other animals that run off Tigers? Gaur, W. Buffalo, Rhino and Elephant. All of which substantially more powerful than a Tiger. 

Long story short, you sensationalize the Tiger too much. The Tiger is the Apex predator of it's terrain but the Bear is a serious threat at any point which is why Sloth Bears don't run fast, climb trees, live in herds or sneak about yet they share the same territory with big male Tigers and do so in almost every park that exists regardless of the Tiger population. Reply