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(04-02-2015, 01:10 PM)'brotherbear' Wrote: A tiger is a very strong and powerful predator. I cannot deny this. A 500 pound Bengal tiger can leap high enough to attack a man riding on the back of an elephant. That's impressive! And yes, a big cat has to pull down and hold very large and powerful herbivores such as buffalo. To do this they have those deeply curved retractable claws and very muscular arms. I can believe that, pound for pound, the tiger is likely as strong as a grizzly; a grizzly at summer weight.
But when the tiger and the brown bear are near equal size in regards to height and length, I will be difficult to convince that their strength might be equal.
At weight parity, I believe that a healthy mature male tiger might defeat a healthy mature male grizzly ( summer weight ) roughly 60% of face-off confrontations. At size parity in regards to height and length, then the odds will favor the bear. ~~From a book by Yudakov and Nikolaev... "Once a very large male tiger ( pad width 13.5 cm ) - ( 5.31 inches ) killed a roe deer and carried it off in its jaws. This was the heaviest load among all of the instances we noted where a tiger carried a prey off the ground. Yet still troughs were left in the snow by the prey's dangling legs stretched along both sides of the tiger tracks. In all, he carried the carcass around 300 meters ( 984 feet ); stopping twice to rest, putting the deer down in the snow." Compare... The Grizzly Almanac by Robert H. Busch. Alberta bear biologist Gordon Stenhouse once watched a large grizzly running effortlessly down a steep mountain slope carrying a 300-pound sheep in its mouth. "The power of these animals is just awesome," he says ( quoted in Struzik, 1999 ). Note: Average weight of a roe deer is from 40 to 70 pounds. When a tiger enthusiast claims that a tiger is equally as strong as a grizzly, he is making an empty bias claim.  Warsaw....   BigBonns wrote:"The Bear McDougal at Brooks was known for once lifting a 700 pound fellow in his jaws and throwing him down as if a bunch of rags." "...As he does so, he lifts the near-700-pound [320-kg] bear clear of the ground and shakes him. The action is occurring in seconds, and I find it hard to believe my eyes. Both bears hit the ground in a tumbling roll. Number 88 has Inge by the neck as he finally regains his feet. He releases his hold and clamps on Inge's jowls, shaking his massive head. Inge rears back, fighting free at the expense of a ripped and bleeding lower jaw..."
http://shaggygod.proboard...ction=display&thread=538*Note: no tiger could lift a 700 pound animal clear off the ground in his jaws and shake him. Such a feat requires a combination of brute strength and leverage.
 

 

There is way more that goes into comparing animals than one single instance.
I can show you a grizzly unable to drag a moose female and I can show you a tiger dragging a bull gaur.
I can show you fight between a elk and bear where the bear is being shoved by the elk and pulled and a fight between a tiger and gaur where the tiger literally will not budge a inch or a bear tipping a trash bin or smashing a metal trash can, A tiger breaking water buffalo necks so violently that their horns are stuck in the earth.
But what does it matter?
These are just single instances that are one example, but circumstances are what dictates the example. Some tigers carry huge prey through the snow for 100's of meters or through the forest. This is noted time and time again, but its once again going to come down to weight.
A large tiger or bear is stronger than a lighter one. A bear weighing 750lbs should absolutely be stronger than a tiger weighing 480lbs and vice versa.

Edit: One last thing with your example:
How could he know what the bear weighed? Did he weigh it then watch this fight happen?
How much did the bear weigh that rag dolled the other bear?
Etc.

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