Zoos, Circuses, Safaris: A Gallery of Captivity

[Apollo]

(09-11-2016, 01:27 AM)Blackleopard Wrote:

(09-10-2016, 10:28 PM)Apollo Wrote:

(09-10-2016, 05:56 AM)Blackleopard Wrote: Do you have the thread link to the verified captive weights of tigers and lions?  I realize that a 570 lb cat is is on the larger size, and many of the largest siberians that are not obese generally top out around 600.  But the statement is that the lion Asland is the heaviest lion in Europe, my point is based on what?  He would not be the heaviest lion in the United States, why would he be the heaviest in Europe?  Asland is simply a lion who happened to outweigh a tiger of similar size, which is what I was wondering.

As for the canines, you can't just show a picture of one sample, there would have to be many samples compared for thickness and length.

Dont use double standards here.
You just used an isolated London zoo incident just to prove lions have stronger canines.
Well science doesnt work like that, as per the canine morphology studies, Ive shown you one of the latest studies with a large sample size and several subspecies involved.

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The results are clear, tigers have the highest bitefore, strongest and biggest (longer, thicker and heavier) canines of all bigcats period.
Now stop going around in circles and here is the link for the studies.

http://snowleopardnetwork.org/bibliograp...n_2007.pdf


What Grizzlyclaws did was to try and show you the difference between the canines.
You can see tons of pictures posted on Bigcats canines and claws thread by Grizzlyclaws.

I was actually more interested in the captive weights, but couldn't find any on this site yet.  As for the teeth, I can only tell you what I saw, and there was data and real studies showing lions having stronger teeth, it wasn't one isolated study.  The health of the animals also can impact their teeth, many unhealthy lions are strolling around in out of prides and have trouble hunting on their own.  I looked through some of the data on that study you showed, some of the data is saying the tigers teeth are thicker, some of it is saying the teeth are over all virtually the same with almost no difference in mm. 

I guess my question to you, doesn't skull size impact the size of teeth, there are many lions with larger skulls than tigers, unless you're talking about the captive Siberians.  Do you really believe a lion with a bigger head is going to have weaker teeth, and a weaker bite-force than the smaller head of the tiger?  It is well known that lions often hunt larger prey, whether in groups or pairs, they're still tackling the larger animals.  That means it takes longer to down the larger animal, so many minutes are spent with a male lion sinking his teeth into a 2 thousand lb buffalo, the buffalo's weight is being thrust back and forth against the male lions teeth and jaws.  A tiger's teeth and jaws rarely ever have to endure such a prolonged resistance against them.  Then you have to factor in the male lions fighting more, with both jaws battling it out significantly throughout their lives. How often does the tiger ever have to endure the kind of resistance an and adversarial 1,000 lb bite-force ripping against its own jaws?

From your posts I can see you love lions. Lions are great animals but trying prove that lions are superior by falsely undermining tigers is a fanatical stupid thing to do.
Such behaviours are not accepted or tolerated here in this forum.

Your arguments are so silly and stupid.
You say that lions have bigger head and hence it should have bigger canines.
lol
Its like saying tigers are bigger animals than lions hence it should have much longer head. 

You see this is how fanatics will argue.
I like to see your scientific studies which proves lions have longer and bigger canines than tigers.
There are several non reliable studies which as only one sample per species, comparing male and female of different species etc



When it comes to skull morphology, you can learn alot from Grizzlyclaws, Peter and Tigerluver. But inorder to learn you have to come out of this fanatical mindset.
In general lions have longer skulls than tigers.
In general tiger skulls are heavier and wider than lion skulls at equal length.

Lion, Jaguar, Leopard belong to one clade and tiger, snowleopard belong to one clade

Tiger skulls are more reinforced at the muzzle. Tiger skulls are more specialized in housing larger canines.
Tigers have the biggest (longer, robust and heavier) canines of all bigcats. Even the small sumatran tigers have canines like lions, now imagine how big would be Amur, Bengal canines.
All reliable modern studies point to tigers having the highest biteforce.


The reasons for this difference could be many. The author of the study i showed you also explained the reasons for tiger's bigger canines.


I personally feel the pride life system of lions could play a part.
Lions hunt in groups when bringing down large prey, so more jaws on one prey animal.
Tigers hunt alone so bigger canines and more powerful bite can help to subdue prey faster.
A powerful canine housing system of the tigers may help to withstand higher pressure exerted during a hunt due to its solitary life style. Reply