Nkuhuma Pride

[NLAL11]

@Mapokser Go read my messages again. I agreed that lions (and other animals) can feel emotions. Where did I say that animals cannot have personalities, feelings or intelligence? But these things are not sentience. They are not self-awareness, cognitive thought, or imagination.

Not sure what gives certain animals like pigeons the ability to count, as I haven't read up on it. Lions can't count though.

To a certain extent, yes, morality is subjective. But not always. One form of moral superiority or inferiority would exist on an axis of selfishness to selflessness. A more selfless person is more likely to sacrifice themselves for others. A more selfish person is more likely to spare themselves at the expense of the other people. Of course certain animals do demonstrate altruism, of a kind. Humpback whales will defend other marine animals from orcas, with no understandable benefit to themselves. Though it is difficult to say if true altruism exists. A lion's willingness to defend its pride or coalition members or cubs, which is an instinct that most social animals have, is actually a form of 'selfishness', as it betters their own survival, or the survival of their genes. A mother lioness fiercely defends her own cubs, because a lioness that does not, does not pass on her genes. So the adaptive behaviour is passed down as instinct.
 
The thing is, you're all talking about her 'sacrificing' herself when the truth is none of us actually know what happened. It is perfectly possible, in fact most likely, that RN's death gave the subs a chance to escape. But that does not mean she sacrificed herself. As lions are not capable of doing this. More likely she got surrounded and was unable to escape, seeing as she was so outnumbered. Every animal, including a mother lioness, will do everything it can to survive. Sacrificing themselves completely goes against literally the strongest, most powerful instinct any animal, including humans, has.
 
" nothing wrong with saying this IMO"
Well, I disagree. Obviously. Reply