Nkuhuma Pride

[Mapokser]

(02-14-2023, 12:58 AM)SMK350 Wrote: @Mapokser The oldest male is 3 years old! He’s not 4, and won’t be 4 till May. There are many coalitions who let their sons stay including prime Southern Matimbas who allowed Junior to stay with the pride. Junior used to show dominance behaviors too including trying to mate with other lionesses and yet they tolerated him. Is that a sign of weakness? No, that’s just how different coalitions are. Why would Mohawk try to outset Ridge Nose’s son when he is part of a splinter group living separately from the main pride? It makes no sense whatsoever. 

And please don’t link random articles like that. There’s no male in Kruger that leaves the pride at 2 and attempts to take over a territory at 3 lol. The Kambula males are almost five and have never even roared or approached another male lion. 

Also a lot of your facts are sloppy. Dark mane got a limp when the Talamatis were just cubs so no, there were no big sons to help him defend the pride. You can watch the tribute by Tintswalo and they will tell you it was just him on his own defending his pride on many occasions when nomads came in.

Yes he will be 4 in may and is already past time he was kicked out under "normal circumstances" as most males don't get the privilege of staying with the pride until they turn 4, an age they will leave by themselves ( see Talamati boys ).

Assuming he was living under a strong and stable coalition, without threats nearby, the males would have kicked him out already. Are there exceptions? Sure, exceptions exist for everything, I don't doubt there are super tolerant males that despite their strength will wait a little more before starting pushing their sons out, but it's usually not the case and in this particualr scenario, Mohawk's position is too weak for him to be worried about something as "trivial" as kicking out his son when his own position is very delicate.

This is Junior Nkuhuma in March 2015:

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A few months after this the Bboys ousted the Matimbas, I'm not sure if Bboys were pressuring already, but I'd hardly use this as an example of a very tolerant strong coalition allowing an old son to be around, Jr hardly had any mane despite Matimbas having good genetics for mane, not really a surprise he was still living with the pride.

Mohawk, if fully territorial and in a powerful position, would naturally oust his son because that's what lions do, they kick their sons out of their territory so they can fend for themselves and eventually pass their genes somehwere else, they still recognize them as sons but their instincts will be to chase them away if they see them in the territory. But since Mohawk is in a weak position, not able to defend the territory from outsiders, he won't bother in trying to kick out his son, he has other priorities.

Lions won't try to take over territory as 3yo, obviously, but they will be kicked out at this age and then fend for themselves until they are strong enough to take over, which depending on the individual and numbers it's usually at 4-4.5 years, at 5 they're entering their prime and in perfect condition to challenge rivals.

Kambulas aren't even 4 and a half I think, maybe the ones from Kruger are but they are only 2 strong and not particularly impressive individuals.

DM was only able to hold his pride from the Imbali male ( which was what I was referring to ) because he had a big pride with two 4ish years old sons that helped him injure the rival once. Even with the pride DM's instinct once seeing Imbali was to abandon his kill and run, never mind if he didn't had a strong pride to help him in some situations. Reply