Beyond the Universe

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What is faster than the Speed of light? How can we achieve warp speed? Is it even possible?
All questions that have been asked and are being researched as we speak. We already know that nuetrinos that shoot from a Supernova reach earth faster than the Light, but how is that possible?
Its because nuetrinos are so small that normal blockades that Light cannot penetrate and has to go around don't stop Nuetrinos, they technically reach the earth faster than the light itself. Not quite the same idea, but its a start.
Here is a write up on themFaster-Than-Light Neutrinos Aren'tThe same lab that first reported the shocking results last year, which could have upended modern physics, now reports that neutrinos "respect the cosmic speed limit"Jun 8, 2012 |By Clara Moskowitz and SPACE.com 

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Paolo Lombardi INFN-MI The final nail in the coffin may have been dealt to the idea that neutrino particles can travel faster than light.The same lab that first reported the shocking results last September, which could have upended much of modern physics, has now reported that the subatomic particles called neutrinos "respect the cosmic speed limit."Physicist Sergio Bertolucci, research director at Switzerland's CERN physics lab, presented the results today (June 8) at the 25th International Conference on Neutrino Physics and Astrophysics in Kyoto, Japan."Although this result isn't as exciting as some would have liked, it is what we all expected deep down," Bertolucci said in a statement.The new findings come from four experiments that study streams of neutrinos sent from CERN in Geneva to the INFN Gran Sasso National Laboratory in Italy. All four, including the experiment behind the first faster-than-light findings, called OPERA, found that this time around, the nearly massless neutrinos traveled quickly, but not that quickly. [10 Implications of Faster-Than-Light Neutrinos]Last year, OPERA measured that neutrinos were making the 454-mile (730-kilometer) underground trip between the two labs more speedily than light, arriving there 60 nanoseconds earlier than a beam of light would.At the time, the physicists were stunned because such a result seemed to break Einstein's prediction that nothing could travel faster than light. This idea is at the heart of his theory of special relativity, on which much of our modern technology and scientific understanding is based.The OPERA researchers weren't sure what could explain their anomalous results, having checked and rechecked their work, so they released their findings to the larger community of physicists in hopes that experts around the world could help them figure it out."The story captured the public imagination, and has given people the opportunity to see the scientific method in action — an unexpected result was put up for scrutiny, thoroughly investigated and resolved in part thanks to collaboration between normally competing experiments," Bertolucci said. "That's how science moves forward."Labs around the world, including the other experiments at Gran Sasso — called Borexino, ICARUS and LVD — as well as the MINOS experiment in Illinois and the T2K project in Japan, tried to recreate the OPERA findings. None were able to do so: Every time, neutrinos appeared to obey the speed limit of light.Now, the OPERA scientists think their original measurement can be written off as owing to a faulty element of the experiment’s fiber-optic timing system.

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Copyright 2012 LiveScience, a TechMediaNetwork company. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.Balls rolling uphill (or so it would appear) win Best Illusion of the Year honorsShare this Article:Comments promytius June 9, 2012, 10:15 AM So it's not just a good idea, it's still the law:SPEED LIMITCReport as Abuse | Link to This jtdwyer June 9, 2012, 1:02 PM The original CERN press release dated 23 Sep. 2011 quoted CERN Research Director Sergio Bertolucci:“When an experiment finds an apparently unbelievable result and can find no artefact of the measurement to account for it, it’s normal procedure to invite broader scrutiny, and this is exactly what the OPERA collaboration is doing, it’s good scientific practice.”Please see the chain of press releases at http://press.web.cern.ch/press/PressRele...9.11E.html Most of the irresponsible speculation came from 'science' reporting sites like all those referenced in this report.Report as Abuse | Link to This outsidethebox June 9, 2012, 7:46 PM It would have been more satisfying to hear exactly the difference between these latter results and the original ones. And the reasons for the difference.Report as Abuse | Link to This jtdwyer outsidethebox June 9, 2012, 9:03 PM Very good point. The Science News article is a little edgey, but is better and includes links to some very good sources. Please see http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceinside...tml?ref=hpReport as Abuse | Link to This priddseren June 10, 2012, 3:09 AM Nice to see real science occurring. As cool as it would have been for that to be real, the team did it right. Put the results out there for the purpose of more testing to get to a real result, when they could not seem to explain what they observed. The world does not get enough real science occurring unfortunately but at least we know it is happening occasionally.Report as Abuse | Link to This JamesDavis June 10, 2012, 9:29 AM Just because all natural things have to obey the light speed cops, doesn't mean we have to. I bet we will find a way to blow that light speed law right out of the Universe and leave all those natural things far behind scratching their heads in disbelief.Report as Abuse | Link to This jtdwyer JamesDavis June 10, 2012, 1:37 PM I recommend reading "Quantum mechanics: Get real", http://www.nature.com/nphys/journal/v8/n...s2325.htmlReport as Abuse | Link to This brerlou June 11, 2012, 12:58 AM I think the research is missing the point. Neutrinos could possibly be arriving at a point in time before photons spawned by the same event, not because they are travelling faster than the photons, but because they are taking short cuts. Right now the path taken by a photon actually DEFINES what a straight line is,(the shortest distance between two points, but is it?) This is although we know that they, or space itself, can be deflected by the gravity of other massive objects in space, but suppose the neutrino is deflected LESS than the photon, and the evidence supports this, then it would be bound to arrive at a target, say Earth, some appreciable time before the photon.Report as Abuse | Link to This jtdwyer brerlou June 11, 2012, 1:44 AM Well, actually, neutrinos generated at some location here on Earth must pass through the Earth to reach a significantly distant detector. The experiment does not generate any photons, but they couldn’t pass through the Earth, anyway. The distance neutrinos traversed is estimated using GPS locations for a position near the neutrino emission device (the precise location of neutrino generation cannot be determined) and the detectors. Standard geodesy routines used estimated the linear distance between those two points at 731 km. However, neutrinos with even tiny mass moving at relativistic velocities through the non-Euclidean space within the Earth will not likely follow a strictly linear path. Moreover, being more affected by gravitation than photons, they might actually traverse a shorter distance through curved space than would light (if it could pass through the Earth). At any rate, the actual path and distance through the Earth traversed by neutrinos cannot be definitively determined. As a result, their speed cannot be precisely determined, relative to the speed of light in a vacuum traversing an identical distance. As a layperson I cannot assess the potentially variable uncontrolled factors dynamically affecting the paths taken by neutrinos, but some may be addressed in the report: Wolfgang Kundt, (2011). "Speed of the CERN Neutrinos released on 22.9.2011 - Was stated superluminality due to neglecting General Relativity?", http://arxiv.org/abs/1111.3888v1Report as Abuse | Link to This  Reply