Lions of Sabi Sands

[Mdz123]

(05-17-2022, 03:49 PM)DE_66 Wrote:

(05-16-2022, 12:14 AM)RookiePundit Wrote:

(05-15-2022, 07:20 PM)Slayerd Wrote:

(05-15-2022, 06:48 PM)RookiePundit Wrote: Aren't Othawa and Ximhungwe prides related going few generatioins back? Or am I mistaken?

Both are very old prides so if they are related along the way, it would have to be more than just a few generations.

Yeah, I mean predating the formation of Tsalala pride likely. I believe I ran into it being mentioned when around the ime Majingilane taook over Selatis, one of the displaced sub-adults, a female, was accepted into the other (X.) pride (still perished later). I can't completely ruled I mixed it up with Tsasala's origin but I don't think so.

The Legacy of the Tsalala Pride - Londolozi Blog

It is quite possible that they are related based on proximity.  Many of the major prides in the Sabi Sands today are breakaways and we know of many more in Timbavati and Manyeleti as well as Kruger.  The breakaways usually stay fairly close to their original pride.  If they are related, the break happened before the beginning of this century.  The  Ximungwhes (Castletons) have existed since at least 1998 because that's when the Tsalalas broke away from them.  I remember seeing Mala Mala reports that were older than 1998 mentioning the Othawas, so they existed then as well. 


I agree wholeheardtedly with Mdz123 that we should let the reserves attempt to sort out the name of the potential new pride.  I doubt they will come to a consensus (see Ximungwhes/Castleton, Gowries/B Boys, Tsalala/Marthly, Satan/Mr. T/Mohawk/Shaka, etc.), but that's even more reason we shouldn't argue about it amongst ourselves.  It's too bad that the Tintswalo Coalition is the exception and not the rule.

Hopefully the moderators will reconsider giving the prides their own thread.  The naming debate would have fit perfectly in the Ximungwhe or Othawa Pride thread.  Or maybe a thread called "Miscellaneous Lion Topics" for any discussion that starts to feel like it's spamming the main thread.

Very well said, DE66. 

Speaking of the origins of Tsalala pride, there was a map of Sabi Sands with all lion prides and male coalitions that was posted to this thread a long time ago, this map was from the West Street/Split Rock era so  we can get an insight into lion dynamics back then.

Does anyone still have this map? I dont remember who posted the map. Reply