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(11-12-2021, 04:48 AM)ijima Wrote: I never said they sit down and plan the way humans might on a white board. Obviously the lions coordinate and work together but it’s at a different level than us. But to say lions just bumbled into Londolozi with no intention is wrong.
In your response to Duco Ndona, who wrote :
"Lions aren't going to plan things for months ahead."
you said:
"They absolutely do. Male lions will scope out a territory for weeks or months before making a move. They are far more intelligent that we give them credit for."
It would fall under the realm of strategy. But when lions explore a foreign territory, it seems to me daring to claim that it could be preparatory for a take-over months later. During these explorations, they may encounter lioness pride, without particular opposition, and fulfill the role nature has given them, or face resistance from resident males, whom they scare away, fight or avoid. They may also not meet anyone and return home.
All of this is very circumstantial, but not the proven fruit of advance planning.
However, there is a very clear difference between what we can call a tactical intelligence, that is to say the ability to respond, more or less spontaneously and circumstantially, to a given situation, and that of predicting and coordinate future actions in order to provoke planned situations, to which we would then have a thoughtful and appropriate response, something that emerges from the strategy.
I think we can agree that lions very regularly demonstrate that they have tactical intelligence. But they show us just as clearly that they don't have the capacity to plan for the long term.
It is this assertion on your part that I contested
On the other hand, we again agree, when it comes to asserting that lions do not enter a territory without reason. Can we speak of intention, I am not convinced.
When the Nawas have moved, they respond to what their instincts command them.