Lions of Sabi Sands

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(06-11-2021, 03:26 AM)Potato Wrote:

(06-11-2021, 02:59 AM)Duco Ndona Wrote: Time will tell. Nature doesn'tesnt play by the books

It does. It is not a first lion warfare we get to see and by looking at similar cases from the past we can judge what to expect in this confrontation as well.

(06-11-2021, 02:59 AM)Duco Ndona Wrote: If they catch him alone in the right circumstances they could easily decide to take him out.

Of course, but it is easier said than done.

(06-11-2021, 02:59 AM)Duco Ndona Wrote: Being in a coalition is pointless if you split up

Yes, but it seems Avocas actually stick with each other more often than the Birminghams. It is not like Mohawk is on his own wandering through Birminghams territory whle Birminghams stick together just waiting for opporturnity of catching lone Avoca male. If you check Mala Mala raports for then past couple of months then you will find there than actually Birminghams are much more often seen separately than together even through then both move with just one pride which is strange and is very bad sign for their chances of defending territory.

(06-11-2021, 02:59 AM)Duco Ndona Wrote: And the Birminghams clearly have enough fight in them to take out intruders.

Birminghams are not done yet althrough they are not doing great in defending their territory for the past months at all. Perhaps they will yet pull through their confrontation with Avocas, but so far it isn't going their way.

(06-11-2021, 02:59 AM)Duco Ndona Wrote: Though most likely the Avocas will just run. There isnt enough at stake to fight over. Why get yourself killed over what you already have at home.

It is not uncommon for the male lions to take the risk in order to gain more females to mate with. Also it seems Avocas are willling to take such risk or else they still would be moving safly with Nkuchumas around Djuma insteed of pushing for the takeover of Birrmingham males territory.

(07-19-2021, 04:39 AM)Tonpa Wrote:

(07-19-2021, 03:34 AM)Duco Ndona Wrote: To be honest..I think the whole cubkilling to get lionesses into estrus is just a myth anyway.
Its not like the lions themselves are aware of that connection and I dont see how they can learn that connection. 

Well, instinctual behaviors should have a purpose/benefit, otherwise there's no reason for them to be passed on genetically

What other reason would there be for male lions to kill cubs they haven't sired?

There is most likely an instinctive need for lions to kill lion cubs, of which they are not the parents, in the overwhelming majority of cases, but we can only speculate on their level of consciousness from this point of view.

If we can note that the relations of cause and effect and of final benefit have an importance in the instinctive behaviors of the animals, in their evolution and their transmission, this does not allow us to conclude from it, , nor to exclude, however, that, for the lions, this resulted in going beyond the instinctive stage.

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