Lions of Sabi Sands

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(11-21-2020, 03:00 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(11-21-2020, 01:04 AM)Potato Wrote: "In fact a lot of young lions are growing in Sabi Sands."

Neither of them is guaranteed to stay is Sabi Sands or even reach to adulthood. There were similar talks about older Mhangenis and older Talamatis conquering Sabi Sands or Avoca males conquering Timbavati, but with the nomadic males you will never know where they will settle untill they will make terrytorial challange. Trying to predict how will male lion dynamic look like in the coming 4 years or so is usseles as there can be totally different male lions in the arena than we new expect to be, same as now there are totally different coalitions in region we would 4 years ago expect to be there.

Those times where different.. When Mhangenis, Talamatis and Styx males reach "nomadic" phase.. All but south Sabi Sands was conquered by Majingilanes, Birmingham Boys and 2 monstruos S. Matimbas moving around, and theres no way they could beat them..

All of those young males moved towards south of Sabi Sands where lion coalitions where smaller/weaker and later on they moved further in Kruger, because they couldn't beat 2 powerful Charlestons even in the south..

In 1-2 years, when those Othawa, Kambula and Talamati yougster will reach nomadic phase, you will have 2 old Bboys, HB will prob be gone, Tumbelas will prob stay in the west, lone Othawa male and 3 split N. Avocas.. Those coalitions will be nowhere near the power of Majingilanes and Bboys.. So some of those youngsters could have a shot in central and northern Sabi Sands, while Nwaswitshaka will prob dominant south..

I know its unpossible to predict, some of them will prob gone to Kruger, but those youngsters will certaintly have better chances to stay in Sabi Sands then those before, because this days theres no big and powerful coalitions around..

Just look at Monwana and Xikukutsus males, they barely moved out of their natal areas and are dominant, because theres no big dominant coalitions around them..

OK, you say that those were different, exceptional situation, then let's make few more examples:

1. Compare of 2012 to 2016:

In 2012 we had 6 MAtimbas males rulling in the north (at that time still very united), 4 Salati males rulling western sector and Majingilanes ruling center part of SS. All those coalitions in 2012 were  numerously, young, strong and looked unmovable for years to come. In the southern sector we had two masive Kruger males in charge and this is the only spot we could expect some changes at that point. From the upcomming (in years to come, not yet at the moment, same as now are mentioned by you Talamatis, Kambulas and so on) males we had: 3 males in Talamati pride, 3 in Fourways, 2 in Styx, 4(?) in Salati pride sire yet by Toulons, 4 in Sparta, 2 in Charleston and trio Solo/Cleo/Leo. Mhangenis in 2012 were just born so i do not count the. Also there were yet 2 remaining Mapogos in the arena, but obviously no one expected them to live much longer. Therefore what at that such circumstances we could expect male lion dynamic in Sabi Sands to look like in 2016? Matimbas, Salatis and Majingis on the same spot as in 2012 and in the south maybe 4 Sparta males as most numerously, or perhaps, Talamatis, Fourways or Solo/Leo/Cleo as older than other young males from same generation in SS? As we know male lion dynamic in 2016 looked totally different. There were Birmingham males (newcomers) ruling north, Majingilanes ruling west, center split between Southern Matimbas and Matshapiris (newcomers) and south rules by Charleston males.

2. Compare 2014 to 2018

In 2014 we've got Southern Matimbas ruling north and pushing further south into newly vacated by Majingi lands, for the Styx pride in particular. We had 4 Majingis just recently settled in the west, 3 Sand River males in the south and center was fairly vacate, up for new coalition to take. At that point there was quite a lot nomadic males stating to come at their own new or in near future: Mhangenis, Spartas, Talamatis, Charlestons, Fourways and Styx. I have no idea what could we expact in 2012, male lions dynamic in 2018 to look like, but what turned out to be in 2018 was definitelly not somethink we could expect in 2014. In 2018 we had Northern Avocas (newcomers) ruling in north, Birminghams (newcomers I think, by 2014 I believe they were still in the Timbavati and no1 expected them in 2014 to rule Sabi Sands in the future)  in the center, Southern Matimbas and Othawa male (who did not even exist yet in 2014) rule west and Southern Avocas (newcomers) ruling in the south.

I do not want to also write down comparison of 2016 to 2020 since most of us knows lion dynamic then and know that what is in 2020 couldn't be expected in 2016. This is why I say that talk about changes in lion dynamic in 4 years ahead are usseles as it is totally unpredictable. I would say even that half amount of that time (2 years a head) is very much unpredictable. Also I think thanks of that male lion dynamic are so interesting.    
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