Lions of Sabi Sands

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(09-24-2020, 12:56 PM)Potato Wrote: " Blondie, the father of Sizanani, was the largest male in Sabi Sands"

Statement based on what exactly?

"These boys definitely had a stressful nomadic life as we can see from their manes that they aren't as developed as they could be"

Yes, that is one the think which guided me to statement that those boys won't be any size above avarage.

"But if they feed well and bulk up, they can undoubtedly become great specimen and a good coalition."

Similary as in humans case lions do not grow their whole life, but only at the years of youth. If the don't get enough food while their growth hormone is still working and they do not grow in that time, then they can not just make up for it later. 

"They don't need to be the biggest lions in Kruger, the Nharu of the Timbevati aren't the biggest lions of their reserve but they are good specimen and strong lions."

Indeed, that is why I do not understand some people feeling annoyed by my statement. There is nothink wrong that some lions are bigger than others, but even the opposite, as without diversity lion population would be boring. 

" why only talk of their paternal genes? Their mothers are the grandaughters of the Massive Skybed Males and daughter of the old Birmingham Males who were the largest Males of the Timbevati. They are also potential Nieces of the mighty Matimbas and sisters of the Birmingham Boys who are as of rn the largest Males in Sabi Sand according to rangers. So they have the genes."

Maybe, they have good genes, maybe they will be huge, but I myself do not believe it at all.

"Birmingham Boys who are as of rn the largest Males in Sabi Sand according to rangers."

Acording to rangers from Djuma Dark Mane Avoca is larger than the Birminghams.

"Regardless of if Thanda Imp males where big or not ( i dont think they where small, but neither the biggest), but thats pretty irrelevant, genes are transfered from mother size too, big fathers doesnt means big sons and vice versa.."

Yes 

"Avoca/Giraffe males where supposedly biggest lions around, and out of 5 his sons only Dark Mane is impressive in size, Blondie, Mohawk and 2 S. Avocas are quite average lions.."

Xikukutsus and Birmingham male are also really big, but of course you're right about that sons are not guaranteed to be the size of their fathers, they can be bigger than then, can be also smaller.

"Also, Red Road male, who we discuss few months ago is most likely sired by Scorro and not Avoca/Giraffe males, and he is the biggest male in Manyeleti and absolute beast.."

That Scorro sired Red Road male is just assumption based on photos he was in Ngala with some cubs. It doesn't mean at all that he was the only male which mate with Red Road's mother. Red Road could have been sired by the MAtimbas or Avoca/Giraffes as well.

"What size has to do with the fact that they where ousted by Red Road male from their pride? 99% males got ousted from their prides at that age.. "

The body size is important factor in lion vs lion encounter and I find starange that 5, 4 years old males were pushed around by single male and I think if Nharus would be big they wouldn't be pushed around. 

"I never said that they will be biggest as you claim, i just said that based on their bodies, will be quite big when they bulk up.."

You said:
"This boys will be beasts when they bulk up, very tall and long bodies it looks like.."

I do not agree with that statement at all.

"Also 6th Nharu i very tall lion by Tintswalo rangers words"

It doesn't mean his 5 brothers will be big as well. As you may notice Tintswalo ranger already couple of times said that 6th Nharu and 3 Mbiris are big youngsters, but never said such a think about 5 (now 3) Nharus. 

It was literally stated at the time that Blondie was the biggest. They also said he was larger than the Mapogos and Mak was believed by almost everyone to be a massive lion at the time. Regarding the Birminghams, the other day Nkorho stated that the Birminghams are the most impressive lions they saw and when a Nkorho guide saw one of the Four ways pirde Males, he said " What a massive lion, reminds me of when we had the Birmingham Boys around here". That kinda tells you they think the Birminghams were quite impressive lions. Despite not being the tallest lions, they pack quite a lot and are tanks. You're right, just like humans, we don't grow after a certain age but lions can continuously build muscle and bulk up just like humans. With enough food and lions not needing to exercise, they can build up. They are only 4 and half, they're not 7 year olds. They can still grow. Nsuku was believed to be largest of the Bboys in terms of bulk at the start and Nhenha and Mfumo became much larger than him after taking over. The peak of a lion is said to be 9 to 11 years old in terms of size whilst they reach their prime at around 7 years old. These boys already look decently tall. They can now bulk up and grow their manes and muscle. Reply