Felids Interactions - Interspecific Conflicts

[Luipaard]

(09-21-2019, 07:41 PM)Pckts Wrote:

(09-21-2019, 07:23 PM)Richardrli Wrote: I was referring to this specific monster leopard, quite possibly the biggest we have some evidence for, just look at the size of the frigging thing! How big do you think the jaguar is BTW?

There are plenty of comparable Leopards to that one and none have been 100kg, Pantanal Jags are easily 100kg and in Northern Pantanal they are even larger, more likely you're talking about a 80-90kg Leopard against a Jaguar that can weigh up to 150kg.

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If we were to say an average 100kg Jag vs a giant 90kg leopard I'd still favor the Jag because of its jaw power. Although I do think the Leopard could put up a nice fight. But based off of actual sizes and  not speculation, the Jaguar is far to large for a Leopard and thus like all cats, the smaller one usually becomes prey to the larger when they meet.

Even when a Leopard looks massive from a flattering angle like here with this Ethiopian

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It's still not in the same class as a Large Pantanal Jag. The image below gives you a better idea of the Ethiopians true size.

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(09-22-2019, 03:29 AM)Pckts Wrote:

(09-21-2019, 11:38 PM)Luipaard Wrote: The leopard which @Richardrli posted was estimated to have weighed 100kg. Said to be "as large as a lioness". I think it's safe to say that this specimen would've been around the size of an average Pantanal male jaguar. 

Quote:It's still not in the same class as a Large Pantanal Jag. The image below gives you a better idea of the Ethiopians true size.

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Here's what a 89kg looks like compared to a relatively large man:

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So regarding the hypothetical fight: the weight advantage of the jaguar would be minimal. Having a more powerful bite will make no difference since the leopard has a strong bite itself, strong enough to do equal damage as the jaguar (minus the skull biting). The leopard has its own advantages, their massive neck and dewlap should be considered as an advantage. 

Fine example of a male with a very muscular neck and massive dewlap:

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The leopard and cheetah hierarchy makes no sense since we're talking about an animal that doesn't have the capability to bring down a leopard. It's also severely outclassed physically. Meanwhile leopards and jaguars have a similarly build. They would probably be sympatric; avoiding each other whenever possible. Just like the cougar and jaguar

Since we're talking about two specific individuals, I'd say it would be a close fight in this case.

How would a much stronger bite have no advantage?
A dewlap serves no purpose for protection nor could it do anything against a cat which makes its living off of puncturing skulls. 

Also, their build isn't similar, a Leopard is much lighter in frame when comparing both, jags look packed to the brim while leopards generally have an all around smaller more fragile body composition. Fact is, 100kg leopard hasn't been weighed while 100kg for a Pantanal Jag is small. If you have to discount one animal and exaggerate another to make a fair comparison then I think that should be proof in itself.

Quote:How would a much stronger bite have no advantage?

Becouse the leopard has a powerful bite itself? Especially considering big cats usually grapple instead of going for the skull. The jaguar has a disadvantage with its shorter limbs.

Quote:A dewlap serves no purpose for protection nor could it do anything against a cat which makes its living off of puncturing skulls.

It's loose skin, it will always come in handy. 

Quote:Also, their build isn't similar, a Leopard is much lighter in frame when comparing both, jags look packed to the brim while leopards generally have an all around smaller more fragile body composition

There you have it. People always generalize leopards seeing it as a one species. For instance, Persian leopards generally have a larger frame compared to subspecies. 

Also, their build is more similar compared to leopard and a cheetah.

Quote:If you have to discount one animal and exaggerate another to make a fair comparison then I think that should be proof in itself.

Ironic how you exaggerate yourself:

Quote:while 100kg for a Pantanal Jag is small

100kg is literally the average weight for a Pantanal male. Since when is the average seen as small? Isn't small considered below average?

Quote:100kg leopard hasn't been weighed

The 115kg Persian male was weighed Reply