Felids Interactions - Interspecific Conflicts

[Luipaard]

@Pckts 

Quote:Averaged sized means nothing, they can be the top 1% and they're still completely outsized by an average Lioness/Tigress

The largest skulls, say top 10, are as big as a smaller tigress/lioness skull. Again leopards do not have proportionally larger skulls so they'll be similar in mass. It's only visually that the tigress/lioness will be bigger by being taller.

Quote:You're being ridiculous. There is less than a handful of verified Leopards throughout history that have even reached 90kgs.

I'm being ridiculous while it's you with the wrong statement of "extremely large male leopards weighing 90kg". They surpass 90kg and possibly 100kg.

Quote:No, you provided data on a population so decimated that there's less than 20 adults left. Hence why you won't provide data on any other Lion population in existence.

Asiatic lionesses average 110-120kg with adult, healthy ones weighing below 100kg. The largest male leopards overlap with the smaller lionesses in this case. Or are they also a decimated population?

Quote:Are you trying to compare the Central African Leopard population to the Waza Lion population?

You used those leopard weights to claim Central African leopards aren't big when they're from a population who are competing with bushmeat hunters. So they're decimated too and not a 'real population'.

Quote:Once again, Jokers shoulder height will overlap with most of the Tigress mentioned while his Body Length and Chest girth will outsize most.

Joker is as tall as the bigger male leopards so it's not only Joker who will overlap in height with most of the tigresses. Both jaguars and male leopards will look smaller in frame.

Quote:And again you showing completely different angled camera trap shots means nothing. Just like any other time, if they are both close to one another the Lioness will dwarf the Leopard.

Completely different angled camera trap? What are you talking about? I merged the two camera traps, they're literally at the same place plus the lion is actually closer to the camera. It will be bigger because of shoulder height but in no way is it dwarfing the male leopard. The professional hunter who set up the camera trap agreed.

Quote:You don't know what it means other than his stomach girth was less than his chest, that's all.

Alright explain to me why Shaka has a larger abdominal girth than his chest girth? And Joker's chest girth is barely greater than his abdominal girth. Both were well fed that's for sure but obviously you won't admit this.

Quote:What are you talking about?
You're basing this off of 3 Waza Lioness?
Are you saying that Leopards match up with any other healthy Lioness population?

Largest male leopards compared to small lionesses from certain populations? Yes they match up. The 2013 study from Van Neer acknowledges the overlap.

Quote:The whole point was that even with it's inflated body dimensions it's still completely dwarfed by Lioness/Tigress.
Since all weights provided never exceeded 88kg and he's the largest dimensional Persion mentioned in the study thats a safe "guess."
So once again, try and comprehend what "most likely" means compared to an absolute.

Maybe you should accept facts when it's being presented to you instead of making "safe guesses".
That Persian leopard was a taxidermy specimen and is certainly not the 86kg male from Golestan National Park. You previously thought the 'biggest Persian leopard' skull belonged to this male too. You always make wrong assumptions.

Quote:Scale him to a adolescent Tigress with no age attached and body measurements that have exceeded any Leopard ever?
You're living in fantasy, that's not how this debate works.

You asked me to provide body measurements of certain leopards but the data is limited hence why the biggest male with body measurements weighed between 69-75kg. The largest leopards can weigh more than 20kg than this individual. We simply don't have the luxury of having data of the largest leopards like jaguars.

Quote:Anywhere between 110-140kg+

I don't make estimates without something verifiable to scale off of.

That's a safe guess and obviously more realistic. Now tell me what's more believable; an extremely large male leopard being tigress/lioness-sized or a modern male jaguar weighing 170kg? Reply