Felids Interactions - Interspecific Conflicts

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@Luipaard 

Quote:Again, these leopards are so huge there's no chance they're average-sized while walking with tigress/lioness-sized skulls.

Averaged sized means nothing, they can be the top 1% and they're still completely outsized by an average Lioness/Tigress

Quote:Nobody is saying a 90kg male leopard isn't extremely large. However, you said an extremely large male leopard is 90kg when in reality they can weigh more than 90kg. Some believe they can't surpass 100kg while others believe they can.

You're being ridiculous. There is less than a handful of verified Leopards throughout history that have even reached 90kgs. 

Quote:You said a 90kg lioness is extremely small, I provided data that shows that adult lionesses can weigh that much while being healthy. Why would you call those populations not real? You like to bring up those snared leopards when talking about Central Africa leopards who face poachers or bushmeat hunters as well? I never heard you complain about them not being a 'real population'? You used those weights to try and decrease those leopards' size actually. Hypocrisy at its finest.

No, you provided data on a population so decimated that there's less than 20 adults left. Hence why you won't provide data on any other Lion population in existence. 


Are you trying to compare the Central African Leopard population to the Waza Lion population? 

I'm not sure you know what hypocrite means or you'd stop using it since you literally are being one at ever turn. 

Quote:Nothing of that information will disprove the fact that lionesses/tigresses will be "much larger in frame just very skinny in mass." compared to said jaguars due to shoulder height. Same thing large male leopards will look smaller when the size difference is actually small.

A big male leopard and a lion at the same location in Central African Republic:

Once again, Jokers shoulder height will overlap with most of the Tigress mentioned while his Body Length and Chest girth will outsize most. 

And again you showing completely different angled camera trap shots means nothing. Just like any other time, if they are both close to one another the Lioness will dwarf the Leopard. 

Quote:I said it's not normal unless there's food content hence why I said the animals weren't empty. Even Joker's abdominal girth is slightly less than his chest girth meaning he weighs less than in reality. Both cats clearly were well fed as all Pantanal jaguars are.

 
You don't know what it means other than his stomach girth was less than his chest, that's all. 

Quote:You know very well the largest male leopards have similar body dimensions, especially in neck and chest girth. In shoulder height I agree they don't but so do jaguars.

What are you talking about?


You're basing this off of 3 Waza Lioness?
Are you saying that Leopards match up with any other healthy Lioness population?

Quote:So first you and Pantherine/Balam refused to use the taxidermy leopard's body measurements and now all of a sudden you assume it's either a 86kg male from a study or a 88kg male that got sent to you? Again, hypocrisy at its finest. Otherwise, prove one of those males are the taxidermy specimen we're talking about.

The whole point was that even with it's inflated body dimensions it's still completely dwarfed by Lioness/Tigress. 
Since all weights provided never exceeded 88kg and he's the largest dimensional Persion mentioned in the study thats a safe "guess."
So once again, try and comprehend what "most likely" means compared to an absolute. 

Quote:There are no body measurements of a bigger leopard other than a 69-75kg one. I told you to scale him with his 94cm chest girth, of course the tigress will be taller as male leopards only approach 80cm in height, like jaguars.

Scale him to an adolescent Tigress with no age attached and body measurements that have exceeded any Leopard ever?
You're living in fantasy, that's not how this debate works.

Quote:Well Pantherine/Balam thinks male jaguar Edno weighed around 170kg. What's your estimated weight?

Anywhere between 110-140kg+

I don't make estimates without something verifiable to scale off of. Reply