Birmingham Pride of lions

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Quote:Dont think S. Shishangeni was already dominant, any evidence on that?

Before he was seen with EBM he was mating. Although Im not sure when exactly was he seen with females, but it was definitely a few months before he formed coalition with EBM. However things can change between that sighting and when he joined EBM, which is why this case could also be an overthrowned old male partnering with a younger male.

Quote:Makhulu was not part of WSM coalition, although they where quite tolerate of him, similar as Ross males where eventually towards BYM, i also think its the age factor of dominant males, prime males would be much more "agressive".

Also, there was a lot of examples like this, where territorial males tolerate their sons longer then they should, but eventually it never happened that they formed coalition while older ones remained territorial.

This is correct, many old males let their sons stay for way longer, as they know their old age will be disadvantageous against younger prime males, which is why WSM tolerated Makhulu but he was never considered part of the WSM. Makhulu just helped his dads defend the territroy.

So bascislly what im trying to say is, old males do tolerate their sons, but they dont see each other as the same coalition, they think their just "allies". Reply