Intraspecific Conflicts - Leopard [Wild]

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(11-30-2022, 03:29 AM)Styx38 Wrote:

(11-22-2022, 08:42 PM)Luipaard Wrote:

(11-21-2022, 03:54 AM)Styx38 Wrote: @AndresVida

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Hey guys how big do you think is this Gabon male?

Is he over 70kg?

The Leopard could possibly be 75+ kg. I would not be surprised that the Leopard is 80+ kg.

The Congo Leopard looks comparable to Okonjima Leopards.


Gabon male

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Okonjima Male

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They both look comparable to Mawenzi, an 82 kg Namibian male.

While it's hard to judge because there's nothing to scale to, one cannot ignore his bulkiness. He does look at least equal to Madiba at first sight (the first Okonjima male you posted, who weighed 76kg).

Leopards from the equatorial forests of Central Africa are underrated. Some focus on the few weights there is available (snared individuals) while ignoring their maximum-sized skulls who are lioness-sized. There's also the footage which almost constantly demonstrates robust males. The following male from Gabon is the first male leopard ever caught on a camera trap in Gabon and to this day he remains one of the most robust individuals I've ever seen:

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Again it's hard to judge his size (i.e. frame) due to nothing to scale him with. But humans and these leopards have been caught on the same camera trap in the past. Courtesy of Chui:

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According to Chui, the man is 170cm tall and weighs 88kg. Here we can see they can possess a large frame alongside their robusteness. Also look at the man's hand and compare it to the wide skull and massive muzzle in the first photo.

I see.

Now, this may sound dumb but which of the Leopards would most likely win in a fight at parity?

1. African Forest Leopard vs. African Savannah Leopard

2. Persian Leopard vs. African Savannah Leopard

3. Persian Leopard vs. African Forest Leopard

Now I think this could go either way if these specimens are the same size, but I want to hear your thoughts on these hypothetical fights.

I moved this topic to a more appropriate thread.

Quote:Now, this may sound dumb but which of the Leopards would most likely win in a fight at parity?

Usually the one with a weight advantage wins. So even a savannah leopard can win from a leopard population that's usually or overall larger. But since it's at parity in these cases:

Quote:1. African Forest Leopard vs. African Savannah Leopard

The African forest leopard; it's usually the more robust leopard and therefore more powerful. It's also built differently due to being forest-dwelling animal whereas overall the savannah leopard lives a more arboreal life. In other words, the savannah leopard must retain a lightweight build (to a certain degree for some males) so they can escape other predators via short burst of speed and climbing the nearest tree. The forest leopard simply lives a different life, be it one from the East African highlands, Central Africa, or West Africa.

Quote:2. Persian Leopard vs. African Savannah Leopard

The Persian leopard; it usually has thicker bones and accumulated fat due to the environment, especially in colder area's. Their thicker fur might also help against the claws of the other grappling leopard.

Quote:3. Persian Leopard vs. African Forest Leopard

The African forest leopard; it's usually more robust. Muscles weigh more than fat so once again the forest leopard will be more powerful at parity. Both have the largest leopard skulls, although they best each other in a department; the forest leopards have a proportionally longer skull whereas the Persian leopards have a proportionally wider skull. One might say the Persian therefore has a more powerful bite, but it being wider (not by a great margin) is due to colder environments. African rainforest leopards are known to kill armoured prey which requires a powerful biteforce.

Here's a rainforest male leopard from Lopé National Park in Gabon, a powerful specimen with a robust neck and head:

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