Birmingham Coalition Male Lineage

[Cath2020]

(03-19-2024, 03:44 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(03-19-2024, 06:54 AM)Cath2020 Wrote: In N'was territory?!  Hope they don't go for their natal pride...yikes.  Repeat of the Tinswalow Males.  

Not all Londolozi is N'ws territory.

(04-13-2024, 06:43 AM)Mapokser Wrote: Hyena bites wouldn't even pierce the skin of an adult male lion unless he stands there and allows them to hold on him forever.

Contrary to popular believe, hyena bites aren't that stronge, in fact they are considerably weaker than that of leopards, the 2007 bite force study by Christiansen & Wroe shows it.

Also, no clan of hyenas would even try to engage 2 male lions like Styx and Nkuhuma. While Manghenis being 6 would have been able to fight them off to protect the cubs.

It's already incredibly surprising that Styx died to lionesses, being killed by hyenas would be unheard of, hyenas even in big numbers rarely kill lone leopards or lionesses.

Your post is chock full of false/misleading information.  The bite force of a spotted hyena is one of the greatest in the carnivorous animal kingdom.  Why in the world would you assume the Styx merely stood, waiting to be bit?!  That makes no sense, even to the lay person who knows nothing about these animals.  However, if he was taken off guard, by surprise, while eating, or just at a moment where he was distracted by other hyenas/lions/etc... Then yes, he could have been put down by a well placed bite and bled out.  Just like in a minor fight, one well-place blunt or penetrating trauma blow, can make someone go into hypovolemic shock and quickly die.   

I guess the Guernsey Male just stood, waiting to be eaten alive by the Mbiris? How did this younger male, approaching his prime, be taken out like that by 2 older, raggedly looking lions?  Yes, it did happen and stranger things have happened.  Don't assume things about strength or lack thereof.  At least say there's a possibility, not negate other options because they don't fit in with your view of how lions should behave. (Just like your disappointment with the male behavior of some lion coalitions) One of the MAJOR things that makes lions aggressive and successful is at least half mental/attitude/experience in how to deal with their adversaries, with brute strength taking a back seat. 

You're going by one study vs those studies all over the Internet saying otherwise.  Even a bear's bite is more forceful than a lion.   

If the bite was in a perfect spot and at an opportune time, then yes, it can put a male lion down, believe it or not.  So, it still stands to reason that a hyena bite was what could have put him down.  Their bite force is unparalleled.  That's why they are called, 'the bone crushers.'  They hyena is in the top 10 of animals with the strongest bite force, of which the lion is not included.  In fact, the lion's bite force is either half or not even half that of the hyena.  I respect hyenas enough to know this fact and not assume they cannot wreck havoc in a small amount of time filled with mayhem at a kill site, attracting a good deal of carnivores. Reply