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Jaguars of Brazil - Dynamics,Lifestyle,Datas,Studies,Reports

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(11-10-2020, 11:51 AM)Dark Jaguar Wrote: As I mentioned on my post #201 related to this case BEFORE he released the whole videos, at one moment I mentioned on that post ''I think we cannot get into deep conclusions out of very few cut off seconds of video interactions and since it was said Edno got chased its surprising and interesting but I still don't think he was going all out on that interaction''

back then part of it was based on the ''Edno run away'' based on what the IG poster said to his friend before he posted the whole thing. However his own videos proved him wrong as the next ones showing the beginning and the ending of this conflict Edno didn't run in any moment from Daryl and Constantine.

His written portuguese on his answer had a few mistakes and he referred Daryl and Constantine as ''O casal'' which means ''The couple''.

So I am gonna translate these and explain within parentheses what he really meant.

''The couple put/made the male that arrived to run, Dude and the male (Edno) was much bigger than the male (Daryl) that was with the female (Constantine).''

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Even then I still took his claim with a grain of salt until the whole interaction was revealed cause I knew Edno wasn't going all out as I mentioned on my post #201 which was further shown on his next videos disproved his own claim of ''Edno run away''.




@Shadow

Despite him saying Edno ''ran away'' his interpretation was different from what was shown from his own videos so far, sometimes people takes different interpretations of certain situations, if he thinks Edno walking away while scent marking after showing dominance over Daryl and Constantine is ''run away'', he got a whole different perception of what running away in that situation is than me and when asked by his friend in the peak of the moment he probably got carried away and told it like that to his friend most likely to give some credits to Daryl and Constantine since by the time he said this the video of Edno scent marking and walking away wasn't yet posted by him, he was still holding the whole thing. Otherwise he is yet to show another part of this interaction to prove his previous claim of Edno running away from Daryl and Constantine which I think it won't be the case. So lets wait his further posts to see it even though I think its a wrapped up case.



Here you can see a woman commenting on his last video a question about the belly up position behavior but at same time she mentions what most of us here think happened and in no moment the IG poster on his answer disputed her claim on Edno's dominance and walking away claim of hers, he only replies about the belly up position.

So again, I am gonna translate these and explain within parentheses what they really meant.

''Guys. Doesn't this turning the belly-up position indicate submission to cats? I thought they (Daryl and Constantine) acknowledged his (Edno's) strength and he moved on calmly/nonchalantly and scent marked the territory there at the exit (when leaving)... wasn't it? These reconfigurations of territories will be crazy/madness.''


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After that bellow you'll see she tags herself saying ''Asking it just to try to understand it'' (about the case)

Then the IG poster only answers her about the belly up position.

''I think that with its back turned to the ground is an way to keep its guard.... to not give (expose) its nape to get bitten.''



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Then in the continuation (check his IG page and see) he says right bellow his answer that '''its what he thinks (just his opinion)'' then she says ''its interesting'' and ''she will do research on it'' then other people join in the discussion giving their thoughts on the belly up behavior.




As you can see in no moment the poster disputed the woman's thoughts on Edno's dominance and walking away scent marking.



Also if he posted the whole thing in just one video this whole divergence of thoughts would've probably been lesser but instead he decided to ''cut it all into peaces'' starting from the middle of the conflict.



So @Shadow from your point of view over those videos isn't it a little strange him saying Edno ''ran'' but on his own videos such thing doesn't happen? I bet you still waiting for more videos to come in order ''to complete this puzzle'' but I still don't think this is gonna be the case. So lets all wait his next posts on his page but for me the conflict seemed to be finished from the last video and from the IG poster's claim he interpreted the situation on a different way than we did. (or not)

To put shortly. What comes to it, what can be seen on video clips so far and what this guide wrote it´s quite clear that Edno didn´t run away. Nor did he flee in some way beaten really, it was quite calm walking away. 

But text was and is what it is and it created questions naturally because it looked odd in comparison with available videos and photos at that point. And contradictions in between written text and what is available to be seen in photos or video footages are always creating questions.

I did see that other discussion too and that woman asked naturally a valid question. I also see going to lie on his/her back as submissive and defensive position at the same time. Especially solitary cats like jaguars and tigers do it all the time, when they show submission and try to avoid fight, while still being ready to desperate struggle if forced to do so by dominant attacker. It´s just natural that no-one wants to get killed or injured without defending even when submitting. It´s pretty clear that dominant individual stay standing or walks around while submissive one goes down, lions do the same even though there the one in trouble often sit as they do especially when there are more than one opponents. Still dominant/most confident one is the one walking there while submissive tends to stay still and cautious.

Based on what have been seen so far in this case, it looks like to be so, as I have said after seeing more footage, that this guide and photographer have given pretty inaccurate and even false description of this event. But as I have said and you assumed, I wait still with interest if this whole incident could be seen at some point to fill all gaps to have final conclusion. Because if this so far was all, calling this even a fight is an exaggeration. This is already a good example how written text can give a very different impression from events when comparing to reality. Question remaining now is more or less it, that was there any fight at all at some point or was this all just a few false attacks and dominant/submissive postures/gestures.

My two main things concerning this incident have been firstly to compare what has been said by people seeing this thing, when it happened and what can be seen in different recordings. Secondly to see all available material to make own conclusions based on it, what can be seen. And bit by bit both issues have became clearer. 

This translation issue is then what it is and I suggest that people do as I do often, when something is controversial or starts to look odd. Ask from someone not involved to discussions here if you know people abroad. Send just the text and see what you get back. And ask if that text can be understood in more than one way. Then it´s easier to look at things while making conclusions.
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