Jaguars of Brazil - Dynamics,Lifestyle,Datas,Studies,Reports

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(11-10-2020, 05:48 AM)Rage2277 Wrote:

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(11-10-2020, 01:52 AM)Rage2277 Wrote: there's no conspiracy here, no blank spots what happened in the vid is exactly what i stated before, he dominated two subadults and left the area it's nothing extraordinary and out of the norm..like at what point did he ran this just shows how inaccurate google translate can be he was literally shown swimming across the river to engage made his message clear, a went on his way i can't believe there was even a debate of what happened to begin with this was so easy to deduce, even with the prior limited footage.

This is not about google translation what comes to the text. If you pay a little bit attention to previous postings you can see, that I have written, that I have three Brazilian people who speak Portuguese as native language, who all translate the text so, that Edno ran away or was kicked off or evicted, however different people want to express it, when one flees.

I hope, that this is now crystal clear, that this translation which I have told isn´t based on google translator, even though also google translator makes same translation.

What comes to video clips and what can be seen is then another thing. As is it, that what guide tells and what can be seen so far from these short clips are in contradiction at least partially if not completely. That´s why I hope to see whole incident on video one day, not just glimpses from here and there.

But you can forget google translator, because it wasn´t used as primary source for translation, primary source were Brazilian people.

the footage coudn't be anymore clear as to what occurred there isn't anything missing not sure what you're looking for..i guess in their minds and yours the youngsters not leaving and edno casually walking off marking as he goes is him backing out or that this interaction was some sort of victory for the subadults.

I hope to see whole incident and see what happens. It´s actually that simple. I don´t really care who wins or not or is it a stalemate of a kind. Of course when two different people who were there write in a way, that they are surprised to see siblings hold ground it´s interesting and it would be interesting to see if there is something to justify such claim in some way or not. 

Now it looks like that this guide and that photographer made quite controversial, if not totally false, claims while stating siblings as victors.

But to show an example why it´s always interesting to see more than a few seconds from here and there, here is one brutal fight of two male lions. If seeing  only 5 seconds from start and then a few seconds from the end, it would be easy to say that "a small skirmish" between brothers.... But when seeing more it´s easy to see that this was quite nasty fight and both have been sore for some time afterwards.

If taking for instance glimpses from 0:40-0:43 and then 6:34-6:38 it could be claimed, that bigger lion quickly asserted dominance... And that´s why I dislike to see just short glimpses from here and there.

the incident with edno and the youngsters was a brief encounter there's nothing more to it..unlike this lion fight which wasn't that brief even still you can get a good picture of what's happening or what happened before they engaged they could have been sitting around for hours before not doing anything most people won't film that this one is where they start fighting 

Well, I hope to see more from this siblings/Edno case for the reasons I told no matter what you think. I´ve read what you and others write but opinions and speculations aren´t the same as unedited footage which I prefer to see. These clips aren´t enough yet for me to make final conclusions. Was that thing with Edno and siblings for instance short encounter or did it last 5-10 minutes etc. If you are satisfied, it´s good for you, but I have still curiosity left to see more and see if there was anything to justify what people wrote.

well keep waiting for this mystery footage you think is out there of this dominant male running from two much younger animals because there is none it's not what i think or what i speculate it's what i know this is so basic to deduce at what point was there running at beginning when he's swimming across or at the end when he's leaving literally marking without a care in the world? it's funny how this simple incident seems so mind blowing to you yet you casually believe clearly fabricated ridiculous claims of wild boar and tigers fighting and dropping dead inches from each other among other outlandish fabricated occurrences the tiger supposedly killing a lion with a swipe is impossible to you but something just as ridiculous a lion supposedly breaking a tiger's arm with a swipe is somehow real in your world.

It´s the thing what is many times difficult for people to understand in many forums, that there are different points of views, not just one. There is no mystery footage, just missing footage and from this case it seems to come out in pieces, one clip from here and other there.

Overall discussion often goes to yes-no discussion, while there are people who are very passionate/obsessed what comes to certain animals. It leads to situations, that people believe for instance it, that tigers would kill adult rhinos based on told stories and some photos of carcasses. But when same sources tell, that wild boars have managed to kill tigers it´s considered fabricated rubbish by people who then believe those rhino cases with no criticism.

Then again it seems to be difficult for people to focus and look what is written, when emotions start to take over. While I´m interested to find out all what happened you focus to take it as absolute disagreement against it, that Edno did good. Which are after all two different things. It´s common problem in different threads, that people don´t read too carefully what is said or they misunderstand on purpose. I don´t know which one is worse option, but discussions go to odd directions many times. Nowadays for instance jaguar-leopard "debates" start to be as toxic as lion-tiger have been in past.

Then you make claim, that I would believe, that a lion would have broken tigers arm with one swipe. I might have to look again how I wrote, but I don´t think that I have said so. I do believe, that at Dubai lion broke forelimb of a tiger, but with one swipe... hardly. But lion might have bitten so, that bone fractured. Also when two big cats "wrestle" many things can happen. So I do believe, that during fight lion caused that injury for a tiger, but I haven´t seen anyone telling clearly how it happened. And yes, tiger killing a lion with one swipe is something what I don´t take too seriously and as I have said, I wonder if it´s even theoretically possible, when looking at anatomy of a lion. It´s something I don´t know. And I add, that now I mean cutting some vein with one swipe so, that bleeding to death.

So I do disagree with you in it, that I don´t see ridiculous rubbish in every place you see. I try to avoid making too big conclusions too quickly.

So all in all, this incident isn´t mind blowing, but it´s interesting. I think, that I´m not the only one who would like to see all footage available and able to see if any justification to it, what that guide wrote and what that photographer wrote. Now it looks like, that both wrote in very different way than reality was. When thinking of credibility of guides it would be nice to see if there was at any point some fight or were these few swipes and false attacks really all there was.

Some issues were now off the topic, but maybe worth to discuss a bit. No-one here can expect, that all posters would see everything in same way always. Animal behavior is always interesting and room for some speculation remains very often. But it´s not so serious. Reply