Jaguars of Brazil - Dynamics,Lifestyle,Datas,Studies,Reports

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(11-02-2020, 02:02 AM)Dark Jaguar Wrote:

(11-01-2020, 03:19 AM)Balam Wrote: @Dark Jaguar check the intraspecific conflicts thread, i posted two videos of the interaction. Overall I second everything you said.
The two siblings are only 15 months in age, probably just gained independence from their mother, Susanna female.

The dynamics involving the formation of coalitions by jaguars is extremely interesting and understudied. Jaguars remain, alongside snow leopards, the most understudied of the felids within the genus Panthera and interactions like this just keep showing how much we still have to know about them.

@Balam I didn't know about the videos thanks for letting me know.

Now that I saw the 2 videos and despite them being too short I see that Edno is clearly the one that is messing around with both over there, Edno is the confident cat on that situation, the siblings seems way more anxious and concerned about Edno's presence than otherwise, all the siblings can do is to get defensive and Edno is the one approaching them and pushing the fight and he is always the one striking and smacking them first whereas the siblings don't have another choice but to fight back the big male. Also as Edno calms down and stops a little bit with the aggressions you can see the whole enviornment also calms down since Edno is the trouble maker of that interaction and is the one starting the whole conflict over the defensive youngsters.

I think we cannot get into deep conclusions out of very few cut off seconds of video interactions and since it was said Edno got chased its surprising and interesting but I still don't think he was going all out on that interaction and by that outcome I can rule out the possibility of his mating intentions over the young female because if that was the case, the outcome of that encounter could've been way more intense.

Thats how I interpreted that situation in those short videos.

I add a bit here since this incident had a lot of comments. What you wrote here are the obvious things which anyone who knows anything about animal behavior can see and understand. I mean it, that Edno was offensive and siblings would have loved to be left alone, not willingly fighting against bigger opponent. It´s a no-brainer and alone nothing too interesting really. It happens all the time in wild, more dominant individual bullies other.

What I find interesting is, that despite facing such threat, neither of the siblings didn´t leave the place leaving other one to face the threat alone. Usually males fight and winner then mates with female. Twist here was the bond which siblings seemed to have and interesting thing is, that what kind of role it played in this incident or did it? And did Edno feel in some way, that if going full force against one, that he could be attacked by other? Usually males don´t need to worry about such while fighting another male. 

There is now some material from two different sources and main story is, that Edno approached, but after some fight/aggressive encounters left. I showed Portuguese texts from guide who filmed video to two Brazilian people I know. Both gave translation, that siblings made Edno to run away even though he was much bigger than other male. I didn´t say it in the first place, because I wanted to see what kind of translations are offered from others and are those honest translations. That guide used some slang there, which my friends explained to me and obviously it was the reason why google translation couldn´t give proper translation to all text.

All in all, from these photos and two short clips, just as you said, can´t be seen too much. The most interesting part isn´t there and it would be the last minute or two and what happened there. Also this photographer said, that siblings "won the war". Even if they won "psychological warfare" by refusing to leave other one to face Edno alone and maybe confusing Edno in that way, it´s very interesting. Not it, that people repeat the obvious, that Edno was the biggest and strongest individual out of these three and at least in the beginning most confident and maybe even in the end too (anyone can see it easily), but still for some reason not confident enough to finish what it started. Or at least it looks like to be so, when reading what people who were there tell.

Hopefully more information and video footage comes up in future. A bit odd, that only two short clips now, I doubt that they couldn´t film it all. Reply