Jaguars of Brazil - Dynamics,Lifestyle,Datas,Studies,Reports

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(05-20-2020, 12:38 AM)OncaAtrox Wrote:

(05-19-2020, 11:41 PM)Dark Jaguar Wrote:

(05-19-2020, 08:11 PM)OncaAtrox Wrote:

(05-19-2020, 07:26 PM)Dark Jaguar Wrote: The OnçaTalk live yesterday was fantastic.

I am gonna translate it.

they talked about jaguars genetic origins as well as the other big cats.

 Jaguars are genetically similar to leopards and lions. Eduardo was part of a group of researchers on a study involving 7 countries that made all genetic sequencial of jaguars and other big cats. jaguars have ancestors traces of more than 4 million years. They compared jaguars genomes with other cats specially pantherine cats and they solved  the evolutionary relationships of these species and estimated for how long they separated and they discovered there were many hibridization in the past, these species mated among themselves in the past and the genomes nowadays are mosaics of different evolutionary stories so there are pieces of the Jaguars genomes that are more related to Lions, other peices are more related to Leopards so these three species specifically are very similar genetically they diverged in less time around 2 to 3 million years which is quite recent and they have been in a moment they mated after separation.
Not necessarily these mixes and matings affected these differences on their looking,fisiology,behaviour,ecology.

These 3 species got many resemblances and many differences. the resemblances  the ancestors of the 3 species had and are still kept for example the coat, the leopard and jaguar probably kept its ancestors and the lion's changed, that makes sense and these are some of the things we are studying as well.

In the first article they discovered there were regions in the genome that looked to be fruit of exchanges between jaguar and lion and these regions apperead natural selection on the jaguar in favour of characteristics that were present on the individuals they analysed.
 
They're still working more on this to find out more.




In the Atlantic forest they already detected evidences of loss of genetic variability in fragmented populations who suffers fragmentations that population get small and the animals become relatives to one another with little individuals they mate between themselves and start to be more alike genetically and the fragmentations start to be more different randomly.

In their first genomic analysis of wild animals from many regions of Brazil they finding evidences of variability loss, parts of genomes are equal with no variability meaning the ancestors like fathers and grandfathers were relatives. Genetically variability loss would lead jaguars to disappear. Populations with little or 0 Genetically variability have less adaptation conditions to environmental changes, if a new lethal disease occurs the jaguars with all equal individuals they will all die. So Atlantic forest situation is very worrying.

So yeah @OncaAtrox like I said yesterday its better to wait for the population rebuild in Atlantic Forest to get those base weights which will be hard and long process.



Onçafari made a mercury ( element ) research through jaguars furs. And they compared the amount of mercury in the northern region of pantanal ( porto jofre ) and southern pantanal region all at same time, same year to not have natural interferences. They found a huge amount of mercury In the northern region 40% more mercury than in southern region cause there's alot of gold mining. on an in depth study to continue this study its possible to discover if there's  genetic modifications in the future but so far there's not problems. Just imagine the amount of mercury People in the region who consume fish,caimans could have. They also made diseases researches of parasites on horses/capybaras/jaguars and maybe humans. parasites related to ticks found on dogs/bovines of the area so they make these studies to understand the role of these diseases in nature.


They talked about the little population of caatinga jaguars and how small they are 30-40kg and even Caatinga Pumas sometimes are larger than Caatinga Jaguars with some of their preys being rodents, deers.... 

Note: regarding Caatinga Puma/Jags That's very interesting Just like I had mentioned this a few months ago that if there's a place with the smallest differences in size/dimensions between jags and pumas this place is in Caatinga.






Cerrado jaguars population is vunerable and its decaying theres risk of extinction but there's conservation projects in that region to avoid its extinction in that region.




Pampas jags as we all know they're extinct.



They also talked about other stuff like:



People hunting jaguar's preys causing impacts on jaguars/human conflicts.



Melanism (dark coat) genes on jaguars is dominat whereas on leopards is recessive.




They witnessed jaguars carrying preys up trees.



Trees shared by jaguars/pumas and other animals.



Eyewitness of wild Jaguar and wild Puma fight.



Jaguar predation on dogs.



Amazonic jags prey on monkeys up trees during flooded seasons.



Jaguar predation on Boar: jags tend to predate only on small boars and avoid the adult ones they don't have accounts of jaguars predating on adult boars they're way too aggressive. ( just imagine how aggressive a 300kg Javapig would be like )


They're helping bring jaguars to Argentina in Berá wich is very similar to the brazilian pantanal but jaguars there were extinct so there are a few brazilian jaguars being shipped for that area in Argentina ( the ones I know of was a female and I think Jatobazinho male was one of them too ).


They also talked about one fact that is always repeated for those who don't know, there is no such thing as melanistic/black Pantanal jaguars, there's no scientific evidences of black pantanal jags and nobody never saw one at all. But there's melanistic jaguars in all other brazilian biomes Cerrado/Caatinga/Pantanal/Amazon/Atlantic Forest or maybe Pampas when there were jags.
They're studying why there's melanistic jags in some places and not in others.


Jaguars have many connectivity genetically but it doesn't mean they're identical. they also got small differences and unique characteristics similar to humans the level of genetic differences in humans between continents is little. So are with jaguars they aren't that different but got their own characteristics with small differences in genes which could probably be because of adaptation in different regions for example Amazon/Pantanal it have to do with deseases as well.


Morphologic external differences from one biome to the other: They studying these genes and look for these differences and there are some genes they're studying that seemed to have showed significant differences between the different biomes and now they figuring out what these genes do and to see the differences among the biomes.


Jaguar's bite strength: Of all big cats jaguar got the strongest bite force in terms of force measurements and strength of the canines and there's a hypothesis lauched 30 years ago it may have to do with jaguas adaptation to eat caiman and turtle with an extraodinary bite force, and through the genoma article, jaguars with prey selection different than other species jaguars got genes involved on the facial Skull development and other genes that showed jaguar adaptation that are involved on forelimbs development, jags got very strong forelimbs so it could have to do with the adaptation to predate on caimans and turtles throughout the jaguar's evolutionary history so its a very interesting discovery on the article we published and it open the doors for more studies for example is it equal in all regions? The jaguar we analysed is exclusive from Pantanal. And all these questions I hope will keep studying in the coming years.


Unfortunately due to tiger population decay the easterns their attention now are to America looking for jaguars, there was a case in Bolivia of more than 180 jaguar canines being shipped overseas, there was a case of an illegal trade of jaguar skulls that the brazilian Federal Police seized alot of jaguar skulls in northern Pará-Brazil in 2018-2019. The reason is the same ( tiger parts, rhino parts ) for medicine. In Brazil its still unknown how it works but the conservation,IBAMA and enviormental entities are trying to find out but so far the biggest issue in Brazil is retaliation poaching in agricultural areas and trophy hunting.


Study and usage of natural corridors and entities team up like Pró Carnívoros and Panthera to know the resemblances and differences between northern pantanal jaguars and southern pantanal jaguars to know how the jaguar venture crossing up north whether they go through the Paraguay River or if they go through Central Pantanal the idea is there must be a natural conexion between the populations and groups of jaguars and there may no be need of reintroduction what we aim is natural corridors.


Importance of radio collars: it shows us in a studying area the environment jaguars like so we know how jaguars  use the area and what are the necessary areas cause the progress is coming and the animal is losing environment.


There were other infos as well in the Onçafari live and I can't wait for today's live, it will have a different topic, I am really looking forward to it.

So much amazing information to unpack here. I'm especially surprised that jaguars avoided predation on adult boar when they have no problem killing tapirs of a similar size, even the Central American ones, maybe they just rather choose less dangerously prey if they have access to them, I read recently that overall tapirs were avoided too. Do you know by any chance if predation on feral buffalo was discussed?

The issue of genetic diversity is worrisome, I remain optimist about the work these conservational groups are making to increase their access to corridors, hopefully they will start reintroducing natural larger prey info the biome as well.

What were details of the fight with the cougars? I'm assuming the jaguar would be dominant but who knows.

They were answering many interesting questions from the public and they are up to answer the questions on the Onçatalks and its just the beginning as we will have the whole week with Onçatalks.

The adult boar predation Ronaldo said it wasn't witnessed or reported by them as of yet but it could happen specially in case we have a determined large jag. They heard cases that Puma can predate on the cubs/calves. Large aggressive Javapigs in Brazil ( breed between Domestic Pig (Sus scrofa domesticus) and Feral Pig (Sus scrofa) ) I guess would be very hard for a Jaguar to take down but not all Javapigs are aggressive. 

I think that such a predator like a jaguar want to spend the least amount of energy as possible so easier prey would be the best suited option but of course they could take down the larger ones. jaguars are very cautious hunting Giant Anteater for example due to their deadly claws ( there are many cases of humans that got killed by giant anteaters here in brazil including a pit bull who got killed as well ). Cerrado jags are the giant anteaters killer expert, of all brazilian jags they prey on giant anteater the most and yet they are very cautious. About avoiding Tapir Its interesting cause on the other hand we got Ariane female cerrado jaguar taking down a male tapir. Jaguars are just fascinating creatures the more we learn about them the more questions we got   .



About predation on feral buffallo no they didn't talk about it but maybe today they will. It depends on the questions they receive and read.


About the genetic variability its a very delicate issue because for example its not just about the numbers increase we also need ''home'' for them, Atlantic Forest jaguar needs alot of areas to move even more than Pantanal jaguars, Eduardo said that genetically speaking even if we got 50 atlantic forest jaguars it is still little if we think IN LONG TERMS, so we would need much more than 50 individuals so the effective size of the population implies on how much genetic variability this population got and will keep it in long terms. so even 50 jags is already ambitious in many atlantic forest areas because to have 50 jags we will need many areas and in many fragments of Atlantic Forest there are 10-20 jaguars, very little numbers so we don't even achieve those 50 individuals. Sad truth.


And I personally think the genetic variability issue is also happening to Caatinga jaguars since there are so little of them fewer than Atlantic Forest.


Another big issue which is very common are wild animals getting run over by cars including Tapirs. They mentioned a case of a large Tapir who got ran over by car and the 2 people in the car died by the impact.


 I really get pissed off when I see Maned Wolves killed by vehicles lying lifeless. The roads are one of the biggest threat for Maned Wolves and thats one of the reason they're so endangered animals. I am a Maned Wolf fan as well, they're so beautiful, unique and are Symbol of the brazilian Cerrado.


So the roads are very dangerous for wild animals and vehicles run overs plays a major negative role In the wildlife as a whole.


About the fight between Jaguar vs Puma, Joares experienced these situations he along with a capture team captured at Parque Nacional Grande Sertão Veredas a bruised Puma who fought a jaguar with bite marks on the paws, shoulders and they checked the place of the fight, Joares never saw a Puma death or carcass predated by jaguars but he saw the fight between both cats and the result is Ugly.

By his experiences I think that just the fact the Pumas surviving the jaguar fight is already an amazing feat of durability given how smaller Pumas are in those regions. But yeah I know in general they get predated by jags but you got what I meant right.

As we already know in pantanal Pumas avoid encounter with jaguars they tend to show up in certain times during the day and you won't see them if jaguars are nearby BUT they already registered one area in south pantanal a Jaguar feeding on a kill and not too far away a Puma made a kill and fed on it right on the spot not too far from the jaguar they both could see each other. Both cat relished their kill as onçafari team registered the fantastic moment.


They also said in order to prepare the capture process it takes 6 months. Onçafari team is now in the field monitoring the areas to figure out where there are more jaguars/pumas currently.

So it means there will be jags/pumas captures soon.


The only thing that bothers me alot is the fact many many times projects/institutions/conservations
don't share the weight and measurements of the jaguars specially the large ones, these animals are the main reason of their whole work so sharing the datas of the animals is a MUST DO in my opinion. just by the weight wise It already gives the people an idea of how well the conservation projects are working by knowing how large the animals are getting meaning the environment in the area as a whole is paying off as well as on prey base. but in order to know it, weights should be provided.


By the way are you gonna watch OnçaTalks today?? I am really excited

Yes I will be watching today! I will try to ask the question regarding buffalo predation because I'm highly intrigued by it. We'll share on here what we get from the live.

And I couldn't agree more with you about how frustrating it is that they won't share the weights of the largest jaguars they capture. You're absolutely right that the size of the animals is a good indicator of their health and how well they are adapting to their environments, it also gives us a better idea of their size potential. For example, it's a shame that a tank like Mick was never weighed when he was alive, I don't know about you but I personally think he was above 140 kg.

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One male I think is on the 140's range is the one with the scythe on the forehead he is lioness sized, there was a youtube channel that had many amateur footages of this male on his prime back in 2013 but unfortunately the channel got shut down for some reason. Hero male is really big, Colombiano is also incredibly giant the way he dwarfed Mancha Preta male ( 101kg ) on that video is ridiculous but at same time Mancha Preta didn't back away showing how bold jaguars are.

I wonder where the brazilian federal police took the seized jaguars skulls to ( most likely to a museum ) just imagine measuring that many skulls.

Speaking of skulls check out these two males resting together under the shades in north pantanal. Look how massive is the head of the older male.

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