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Carnivorous dinosaurs other than the famous t-rex and spinosaurus..

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( This post was last modified: 10-04-2020, 03:05 AM by DinoFan83 )

Here's some food for thought on the obscure tibia of 'Allosaurus tendagurensis', which may be among the largest Jurassic theropods of all.

First off, its phylogeny. Mickey Mortimer suggests it to be a megalosauroid instead of an allosaurid or carcharodontosaurid as is commonly believed. This giant tibia being a megalosauroid is also consistent with the recent assignment of 'Megalosaurus ingens' teeth from the Tendaguru to Torvosaurus. Going by this, I think it's a reasonable bet that this tibia is Torvosaurus.
"Chure (2000) stated this specimen resembles abelisaurids because it lacks a strongly curved cnemial crest or incisura tibialis and has no posterior groove between the lateral and medial condyles, but differs from them in that the astragalus is not fused to it and the fibular crest is more distally placed. However, the depth of the incisura tibialis is uncertain since Rauhut (2011) indicates the low lateral projection distally may be due to erosion. Furthermore, the posterior groove is present and was merely not indicated by Janensch's dotted line in the reconstruction. It also lacks the distally expanded cnemial crest of ceratosaurs (Carrano et al., 2012). The distally placed fibular crest is a tetanurine synapomorphy (which is fully compatible with a lack of tarsal fusion), as noted by Rauhut. Within Tetanurae, the astragalar step excludes tendagurensis from Coelurosauria, but its more detailed affinities are unknown. The broad fibular crest is similar to Piatnitzkysaurus, Megalosaurus and metriacanthosaurines"
The tibia is about 91 cm long as preserved, and can be restored to either 98, 101, 108, or 110 cm. I'll scale all 4 in this post.

For length and mass, GetAwayTrike's Torvosaurus is a good basis. Greg Paul estimates a 9 meter long Torvosaurus at 2 tonnes, but based on comparisons between his and GetAwayTrike's skeletal, it looks to me as though GAT's would be about 1.5 tonnes. 
The Theropod Database lists the tibia of BYUVP 2002 at 72.5 cm, so this size tibia belongs to a 9 meter, 1.5 tonne torvosaur. The scalings are as follows.

98 cm length estimate: With the length estimate of 98 cm, the owner of the tibia ends up at 12.16 meters long and 3.7 tonnes in mass.
101 cm length estimate: With the length estimate of 101 cm, the owner of the tibia ends up at 12.54 meters long and 4.06 tonnes in mass.
108 cm length estimate: With the length estimate of 108 cm, the owner of the tibia ends up at 13.4 meters and 4.96 tonnes in mass.
110 cm length estimate: With the length estimate of 110 cm, the owner of the tibia ends up at 13.66 meters long and 5.24 tonnes in mass.

The mean length of these is about 12.94 meters, and the mean mass 4.5 tonnes. So this is undoubtedly a very large specimen for Torvosaurus, most likely larger than both Torvosaurus gurneyi and Edmarka rex.

One last note to make: This specimen of Torvosaurus may have had one of the longest and largest theropod skulls of all. The skull on GetAwayTrike's reconstruction for BYUVP 2002 is 115 cm long, and it isn't elongated and stretched out, it's quite robust and heavy. So based on that, the skull length of the owner of the tibia would have had a skull 155.4 to 160.2 cm long for the lower estimats, and 173.1 to 174.5 cm long for the upper estimate. This is right up there with the skulls of large Cretaceous theropods (such as Tyrannosaurus and large carcharodontosaurids for example, which are known for their skull size), and probably even bigger at the upper end!
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