White, Black & Golden Tigers

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(07-15-2014, 04:46 AM)'tigerluver' Wrote: Before you read anymore, I will repeat myself. Rewilding and white genes in the tigers case should not be a focus at the moment in my opinion. Doesn't mean having a backup plan will hurt. Read on.

In order of how you posted each point:

The horse program successfully re-wilded the species. Think more than just about tigers. It's a big world out there. Tigers, fortunately, aren't in the state of that horse. The Smithsonian program is right now breeding a handful of specimens, outbreeding every generation. The Sumatran tigers are quite genetically heathy at the moment. The cubs are quite big as well. Look up Smithsonian tigers, a great read tracking the cubs.

The points I am not replying to is because they derail the topic, so don't discuss the third world dilemma anymore with me, please.

These captive specimens should not be rushed back into the wild just to meet their demise like the wild specimens are. These specimens just need to be at hand. Look what happened to the northern white rhino. Not enough captive specimens were collected and bred, and extinction inevitable. The human interference I say is needed is the one to counter the intereference by unwelcome humans. There's no choice, we saved the Przewalski's horse and successfully rewilded it thanks to "counter" human interference. That is a fact of life we have to deal with. 

The tigress is clearly there, I can make out the facial features on top of it being cited by Corbett, who is very reliable. Denying a reliable figure so stubbornly is also quite dangerous. There are other accounts as well. I'll post them later, but, not to debate, but for the information of the people viewing the thread. Let's just agree to disagree.

I rebutted your propostions to the ill effects of adding some heterozygous specimens of wild tiger if ever need be here:
"You're answer to my question of how heterozygous regular specimens hurt a population is that you want evidence of my proposition. You dodge the question, we both don't have concrete evidence. You presented a faulty argument. An increase in tiger population when numbers are already low is bad? Furthermore, I said have heterzygous specimens at hand. They're regular colored. They have a larger gene pool, that is an advantage you are overlooking. Why are you jumping to the idea of just letting out some captive white tigers in the wild? I never said that. Even then, a white tiger or two popping here and there will increase poaching? So they'll start shooting orange tigers hoping one of them turns white? Poachers are ignorant, but not that much. The human contact part, what do you mean? If human contact is such a problem, let's end the captive breeding programs. Ecotourism is a big part in conservation. To save animals, we need money."

The captive Przewalski's horse we had available were much more than a science experiment my friend, they saved a whole species.

 

 

Im not sure how you rebutted my position?
You said these animals would not make it with out human assistance. Yet these animals will all make with out human assistance. If you mean that these animals must be protected from other human beings and the destruction of their world, then yes, they need assistance. But that has nothing to do with them or nature, that has to do with a outside factor that has the means to stop when ever they want.
Its been proven by the numerous animals that have come back on their own the minute they were protected and put on endangered species list and banned the people from killing them. Notice that people had to ban people. Once again, nothing to do with nature. We are arguing symantics at this point.

2ndly I have been absolutey willing to take Corbetts account, but heres the facts.
He specifically said he saw them, got them on video and took pictures.
So, lets see the video lets see the images. With a image you can actually see!

You also speak of corbett like you know everything about him, corbett has quite a few crazy stories that have not been seen by any other man.
No man has ever seen two tigers take on any large prey together, let alone two tigers take on a adult tusker. I'm not saying this doesn't happen, it probably does, but no images, video or eye witness accounts of anything like that has ever been reported by any other person.
Same with the white tiger adult and then with cubs.
2 accounts never seen by another man.....


Gaute also said Sundquist said he saw one, and If i see a email from sundquist saying he saw a white tiger adult or cub, I think i would be more willing to accept his word because from what I have read and seen, he seems to be a more conservative and realistic researcher, IMO.


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