Avoca male lions

[SalemMagi]

(11-25-2022, 07:43 PM)Wyld@Heart Wrote:

(11-25-2022, 04:39 PM)SalemMagi Wrote: We will never truly know what happened with Dark Mane during those 2 days before his death and/or what caused his death specifically, unfortunately... 

That sort of speculation is unhelpful. 

There is nothing speculative about my statement. These are the facts and the reality of the situation.

For the record... There was no autopsy done to definitively identify DM's cause of death and the Wild Earth cameras that had been documenting his life situation were suddenly publicly prohibited from documenting his condition and movements during the last 2 days of his life.

Therefore, "we will never truly know what happened with Dark Mane during those 2 days before his death and/or what caused his death specifically, unfortunately..."

Critical thinking skills are a vital resource in life. Stay curious and always ask questions.

Quote:It's almost like a snipe to say 'how do we know that Sabi Sands is withholding information? Maybe he should still be alive,' etc etc. 

 Sabi Sand is known to withhold information in the public realm. 

The most recent example of this (beyond DM's situation) is the recent "euthanization" of Sassy, the Othawa Lioness. To my knowledge, no public statement regarding the decision to euthanize Sassy was ever made by SS. Instead, the only reason we know that Sassy was "euthanized" is because concerned folks contacted the National Council of Societies for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (NSPCA) who launched an investigation and interviewed staff on the ground. The Wildlife protection unit of the NSPCA ultimately determined and publicly stated that Sassy had indeed been "euthanized". This blatantly contradicts the long standing policy of non intervention and "letting nature take it's course" which is reiterated on the Sabi Sand website. SS has been asked about the exact protocol used to "euthanize" Sassy and still has not provided any specific details to the public. This is wholly problematic for multiple reasons and continues to perpetuate a lack of transparency or as you say, "withholding of information" within the realm of "wildlife management" at Sabi Sand.

Quote:At the end of the day we know what killed him; he was badly injured by buffaloes and was left with what looked like certain internal injuries.

No, we do not know exactly what killed him. There is no autopsy or veterinary assessment that has been publicly released. You saw video and photos that documented his encounter with a buffalo herd. Beyond that, you are free to speculate on his exact cause of death... hopefully without judgement or discouragement and harassment that your speculation is "unhelpful" or even ignorant. 

Quote:Nature unfortunately took its course and Dark Mane paid the price for being caught in a buffalo herd. 

You were not privy to the last 2 days of DM's existence on this earthly realm, because it was intentionally not documented by Wild Earth. You are speculating that nature took it's course... you "assume" that Dark Mane paid the price for being caught in a buffalo herd... but the facts are this: You do not have firsthand knowledge of the events that transpired while the cameras were publicly prohibited from documenting DM's movements during his last days. 

You were not there in person... and visibility of Dark Mane was intentionally blacked out by Sabi Sand. You are free to 'Assume' and speculate all you want but you cannot definitively say and document what happened to Dark Mane Avoca in his last days. You just can't.. because you were not there and unfortunately there is no photographic record or veterinary assessment that has been publicly released.  

Quote:That should be enough.

Hearsay and speculation will never be "enough" for the critical thinker and astute spirit. This is another reason why transparency and documentation are so valuable when it comes to the protection of wildlife in the Sabi Sand region. Too many lions have gone missing and who knows how many lions have been euthanized behind the scenes now... i encourage everyone to stay curious and ask questions with the intention of creating a more just and equitable life experience for all beings. Forums like this can provide a safe space to document and explore optimal responses to  the variety of scenarios that play out in the wild.

Peace be with Dark Mane Avoca and Peace be with you~ Reply