Avoca male lions

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(06-26-2022, 01:49 PM)RookiePundit Wrote:

(06-26-2022, 01:07 AM)Wyld@Heart Wrote:

(06-25-2022, 05:24 PM)RookiePundit Wrote: DM's injury is to some extent a confidence thing. He instinctively knows he can't outrun incoming danger and if he does not avoid it in time, he gonna face it and that is likely an all-in situation for him cause he can't easily escape if things go south. He can run alright if he wants but it is likely males in condition to beat him would be faster and could caught in him in a chase if they would really want to. Ofc he is not consciously contemplating those things, but instinctively behaves along those lines. In the end he acts more cautiously and won't be likely to get into fights of which he is not sure about the outcome. We have the sighting of Imbali male chasing him and Talamati sub-adults from a kill, we don't know if Dark Mane knew that Imbali is without coalition partners, but probably did not want to risk 1 v 1 confrontation either, especially if it is not a fight he has to take and can just opt to not risk anything and live for another day for sure - during nomadic days that might be different, a kill would mena more if he doesn't know when he can get to another one and would not have a support system to fall back (aka being fed by his pride). There could also be a more developed subconcious worry of sustaining another injury in a fight, even if he would come on top, since even Corky (Djuma hyena clan matriach) managed to bite his paw before, to the extent of forcing him to release her. Could be DM now operates in happy go lucky style without focing anything and being content with status quo. His lone trip across Sabi Sands can be intepreted in many ways hard to know for sure what that was about.

As for him getting a partner while still being dominant that is highly unlikely, but things like that sometimes happen, more so as somethign extraodrinary rather than something we could expect to happen or count on. In Sabi Sands, Solo managed to join an aging male nad later run with his son(s). It would likely require younger, rather unexperienced male, more so that DM could possibly run from stronger threats. Even the Birmingham Young Male got seemingly accepted into Ross males colaition (before moving on and running uo into Torchwood), but hsitory of that individual is overall very atypical.

It is ofc more likely if there is nothing to compete for nothing to lose for one side, nomadic males without a pride don't have much of a reason to be hostile against each other, unless food is involved and if there is no kill, hostility is an unecessary risk and the individuals are much better of either getting along or going each their own way (numbers on each side would likely be a factor, as well as age and condition). If they keep  bumping into each other (or simply one side follows the other) they might get used to the other being around anyway. Whether it would mean a one time truce or staying together is never certain. I still believe lone males are receptive of joining another male(s) to have better shot, even if temporarily.

A few inaccuracies here, I would think. It wasn't DM with Corky on that clip but one of his brothers. Also, BYM was never accepted into the Ross male coalition, if anything he was beaten upon regularly and sustained some pretty severe knocks not least of which is the hip injury that looked like he would struggle to recover from. He survived, avoided the males in general and eventually dispersed.

That's not to say the gist of your post is incorrect and what you say is possible. One things for certain, DM is certainly a survivor. I remember seeing him on Wild Earth not long after the injury and I though there was no way he would come back, his ankle was broken that badly, but he did. Then he lost his territory and looked in pretty bad nick, but he survived and while we don't always appreciate it, has helped raise at least two powerful up and coming males and a core of young and powerful lionesses. If they all make it to adulthood he would rank right up there for leaving behind a lasting legacy and not many would have thought that in the wake of much more storied and admired coalitions and males lions.

There is for sure a video of Dark Mane and Corky flowing around... BYM after the injury shadow the pride and join them when Ross males were not present and then he was one day suddenly tolerated by them and here on Wild Fact was a discussion what that is about as for multiple weeks the three acted like they partners at least to some extent (BYM probably never patroled, which would be expected due to his injury).

Birmingham Pride of lions (wildfact.com)  
(Page 36 of the Birmingham Pride thread)

Yeah, it was just last summer.  After beating him and chasing him around for 2 years straight, the Ross Males suddenly became quite tolerant.  If you read through a few pages starting with page 36, you can see the speculation about them possibly allowing the BYM to join the coalition.  As we know, they never actually became partners, but the dynamics changed enough that it seemed to be heading in that direction.  I don't think the Ross Males caused him any more trouble after this.  He eventually left on his own and partnered up with TYM. Reply