Avoca male lions

[Slayerd]

(10-08-2020, 11:53 AM)titose Wrote:

(10-08-2020, 08:50 AM)Slayerd Wrote:

(10-07-2020, 11:14 PM)Gijima Wrote: The video I showed has evidence of a literally fight, and here's another video: 



These aren't signs that the Avocas weren't challenged. They were challenged (sure half-heartily, I'm sure the BBoys could have put up a better fight if they didn't find new lands) but they did try to scare them away. That was my point and I don't think you can really argue with that. 

Anyways, I'm glad both coalitions found their land and females and no one died. I think it's strange in a wildlife forum people sometimes glorify dead and dying over just survival and resilience (not that you guys do it on this thread but just in general). I never felt the need to "defend" any coalition but this idea that they were never in any risk was always silly to me. 

Mfumo- Honestly this is just me speculating. Unless a male in his prime dropped dead in Mala Mala, in an area no one traverses, he must have gone somewhere else and gotten into a conflict. We will never know, he was one of my fav cats, and yeah... it's just my brain trying to make sense of something that will never make sense.

A finales de 2017 y principios de 2018, los Bboys abandonaron el Norte para extenderse. Todavía venían al norte de vez en cuando, pero en su mayoría se quedaron atascados hacia el sur hasta donde se veían en Lion Sands y Kirkmans Kamp al sur para ser vistos en Western Singita al oeste, así que realmente estaban dejando volar sus alas. Eso es casi todo Sabi Sands y en este tiempo persiguieron y empujaron fuera de los Matshipiri, los Avocas del Sur y según Mala Mala impidieron que el poderoso Mantimahle llegara más al norte, ya que fueron vistos empujando a Sabi Sands incluso siendo vistos con el Orgullo Kambula en ocasiones. Durante este tiempo, los N Avocas empujaron a Sabi Sand e hicieron una reclamación. 2 Bboys vinieron, Nsuku, Tinyo y luego Nhenha y de acuerdo con Safari Live en ese momento las pistas de Avocas fueron vistas dirigiéndose a los Manyelethi. Así que corrieron después de oír rugir a 3 Bboys. Los Bboys se quedaron en el norte por un tiempo y luego aparentemente se fueron al sur. Después de ese safari de vida silvestre lanzó ese video diciendo que los Bboys estaban de alguna manera heridos y podría haber habido una pelea. Bueno, no lo sabemos con seguridad. Por lo que sabemos Nhenha se enojó y los golpeó como siempre lo hace. ¿Y por qué los Birmingham tenían heridas y no los Avocas? ¿Realmente crees que 2 machos de primera calidad completamente adultos no van a golpear a los jóvenes inexpertos y se van a poner peor? Quiero decir que puedes ver lo que los Bboys se hacen el uno al otro, no hay manera de que no golpearan a los jóvenes. Sí, los Bboys trataron de empujarlos hacia el norte, pero para entonces ya estaban tan al sur y al oeste que no necesitaban hacerlo. Acaban de abandonar la zona. ¿También dijiste 1 orgullo? No, los Birmingham todavía se apareaban con los Kambula en ese momento y todavía se estaban extendiendo porque se apareaban con el orgullo de Mangheni y encontraban el Tsalala. Una vez más hay fotos de los Avocas después de la reaparición si Mfumo. ¿Realmente crees que pudieron haber matado a un hombre de primera y salir ilesos?

When you talk about the Avoca males running away after hearing the roars of the Birmingham boys, I am not very sure because there is a 56 minute video that you can hear the 2 coalitions having a roaring interaction, this roaring confrontation starts at minute 12:00, 16:00, 22:00 and 38:00 

Like I said it was on Safari live. You can search it yourself. It was around March 22 or something like that. Both Brent Leo Smith and Tayla said it. They said tracks were seen heading into the Manyelethi and the Avovas were not seen since. I'm not sure what interaction is happening in this video because I hear distant calls but the Birminghams don't seem that interested in them. I mean the only reason they roared was because one got pissed the other sat on him. They were grooming and even freaking sleeping. This doesn't show behaviour of a challenge or territorial takeover. Also this was from the Djuma cam in Central Djuma, the core of Bboys northern territory at the time, so if they were being directly challenged in the core of their territory, I doubt the'd lazy around and actually roar back or confront the challenge. And this is behavior the Bboys show. When Tinyo heard the call of the Plains Camp Boys and immediately got up and ran to him. Nhenha apparently chased the Avoca males in the North recently according to James Tyrell and before anybody says no it was a mistake, James was asked afterwards if it was a mistake or really happened and he said it really happened but the pic was the wrong pic he chose. He apparently doesn't choose pics from the incident but any random pics of the coalition. Reply