There is a world somewhere between reality and fiction. Although ignored by many, it is very real and so are those living in it. This forum is about the natural world. Here, wild animals will be heard and respected. The forum offers a glimpse into an unknown world as well as a room with a view on the present and the future. Anyone able to speak on behalf of those living in the emerald forest and the deep blue sea is invited to join.
12-19-2018, 12:38 PM( This post was last modified: 12-19-2018, 12:38 PM by Jimmy )
Biggest of the big extant bovine
All shoulder height quoted from wikipedia except the wild yak which gives it 7.2 feet just behind the gaur 7.3 feet- Obviously some individual has bigger shoulder hump than others but even at 7 ft which i gave it, the wild yak looks larger than all other, even the head is bigger!!! Maybe some day we can have better data on these beast, but for now here is what is available-
12-24-2018, 11:11 AM( This post was last modified: 12-24-2018, 01:05 PM by Jimmy )
around eight years ago, in an old library at Kathmandu-Nepal, there were some trophies of animals, there was a stuffed head of a Wild water buffalo in one section hunted way back in Chitwan before their extinction there, and some weeks later i found there was also a stuffed Gaur head on a hallway also from Chitwan in another building so i took photo of the two as a human-myself as a scale. notice that the Gaur skull was higher up and there was a staircase going the other way on opposite side so i could not get a front image.
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i slightly adjusted the photo of me in the wild buffalo one because behind me there was a bookselve so i could not go farther up to the wall hence my image i made slightly bigger cuz it will be closer, but i think the head of the animals in relation to each other is the exactly how it appears.
01-10-2019, 06:06 AM( This post was last modified: 01-10-2019, 06:09 AM by Jimmy )
(01-10-2019, 03:37 AM)Pckts Wrote:
(01-10-2019, 12:12 AM)brotherbear Wrote: An interesting comparison might be a bull gaur compared to a great Indian one-horned rhinoceros.
They're similar at the shoulder but the Rhino is way more robust and longer, it's by far the larger animal. The few I've seen have been huge.
Another striking difference I would say is the width, they may read similar dimension in paper but in 3 dimension rhino has more volume, gaur would look more slender animal in front of a bull rhino's girth
Here is one look of them, a slight confrontational one in Jaldapara, India
And this one just found, gaur bucking a human, stupid one don't know where
01-10-2019, 01:27 PM( This post was last modified: 01-10-2019, 01:34 PM by Jimmy )
(01-10-2019, 12:12 AM)brotherbear Wrote: An interesting comparison might be a bull gaur compared to a great Indian one-horned rhinoceros.
here, i included banteng also to comprehend the size difference -the shoulder height given for banteng in Wikipedia is quite low at 5.6ft, which makes them tiny compared to these two behemoths, maybe some specimen could go up to 6 ft, that would make sense
01-10-2019, 06:31 PM( This post was last modified: 01-10-2019, 07:52 PM by Shadow )
(01-10-2019, 01:27 PM)Jimmy Wrote:
(01-10-2019, 12:12 AM)brotherbear Wrote: An interesting comparison might be a bull gaur compared to a great Indian one-horned rhinoceros.
here, i included banteng also to comprehend the size difference -the shoulder height given for banteng in Wikipedia is quite low at 5.6ft, which makes them tiny compared to these two behemoths, maybe some specimen could go up to 6 ft, that would make sense
*This image is copyright of its original author
It is still quite impressive, that biggest bull gaurs can be heavier than average female rhinos. I remember seeing in more than one place mentioned, that female rhinos in India are in average about 1600 kg. And biggest bull gaurs are said to weight in exceptional cases even 1700 kg. If that animal would happen to run full speed to side of bull rhino, it for sure would feel it. I wonder if there is some reason why so difficult to find photos about these two species nearby each others? I have no idea, just thinking, that maybe too close match and two species known to be aggressive too time to time. But if someone has knowledge, maybe that could be discussed in gaur thread, not here.
(01-10-2019, 12:12 AM)brotherbear Wrote: An interesting comparison might be a bull gaur compared to a great Indian one-horned rhinoceros.
here, i included banteng also to comprehend the size difference -the shoulder height given for banteng in Wikipedia is quite low at 5.6ft, which makes them tiny compared to these two behemoths, maybe some specimen could go up to 6 ft, that would make sense
*This image is copyright of its original author
It is still quite impressive, that biggest bull gaurs can be heavier than average female rhinos. I remember seeing in more than one place mentioned, that female rhinos in India are in average about 1600 kg. And biggest bull gaurs are said to weight in exceptional cases even 1700 kg. If that animal would happen to run full speed to side of bull rhino, it for sure would feel it. I wander if there is some reason why so difficult to find photos about these two species nearby each others? I have no idea, just thinking, that maybe too close match and two species known to be aggressive too time to time. But if someone has knowledge, maybe that could be discussed in gaur thread, not here.
There are very few places where they overlap and the few where they do Gaur numbers are low. Water Buffalo and Rhino cross paths much more than Gaur. Water Buffalo are very close in size compared to Gaur for scaling purposes.
01-10-2019, 06:53 PM( This post was last modified: 01-10-2019, 06:54 PM by Shadow )
(01-10-2019, 06:44 PM)Pckts Wrote:
(01-10-2019, 06:31 PM)Shadow Wrote:
(01-10-2019, 01:27 PM)Jimmy Wrote:
(01-10-2019, 12:12 AM)brotherbear Wrote: An interesting comparison might be a bull gaur compared to a great Indian one-horned rhinoceros.
here, i included banteng also to comprehend the size difference -the shoulder height given for banteng in Wikipedia is quite low at 5.6ft, which makes them tiny compared to these two behemoths, maybe some specimen could go up to 6 ft, that would make sense
*This image is copyright of its original author
It is still quite impressive, that biggest bull gaurs can be heavier than average female rhinos. I remember seeing in more than one place mentioned, that female rhinos in India are in average about 1600 kg. And biggest bull gaurs are said to weight in exceptional cases even 1700 kg. If that animal would happen to run full speed to side of bull rhino, it for sure would feel it. I wander if there is some reason why so difficult to find photos about these two species nearby each others? I have no idea, just thinking, that maybe too close match and two species known to be aggressive too time to time. But if someone has knowledge, maybe that could be discussed in gaur thread, not here.
There are very few places where they overlap and the few where they do Gaur numbers are low. Water Buffalo and Rhino cross paths much more than Gaur. Water Buffalo are very close in size compared to Gaur for scaling purposes.
Ok, that of course explains a lot. I am not so interested about size comparisons in this case, but more about interaction in wild. Interesting species.
(01-10-2019, 12:12 AM)brotherbear Wrote: An interesting comparison might be a bull gaur compared to a great Indian one-horned rhinoceros.
here, i included banteng also to comprehend the size difference -the shoulder height given for banteng in Wikipedia is quite low at 5.6ft, which makes them tiny compared to these two behemoths, maybe some specimen could go up to 6 ft, that would make sense
*This image is copyright of its original author
It is still quite impressive, that biggest bull gaurs can be heavier than average female rhinos. I remember seeing in more than one place mentioned, that female rhinos in India are in average about 1600 kg. And biggest bull gaurs are said to weight in exceptional cases even 1700 kg. If that animal would happen to run full speed to side of bull rhino, it for sure would feel it. I wander if there is some reason why so difficult to find photos about these two species nearby each others? I have no idea, just thinking, that maybe too close match and two species known to be aggressive too time to time. But if someone has knowledge, maybe that could be discussed in gaur thread, not here.
There are very few places where they overlap and the few where they do Gaur numbers are low. Water Buffalo and Rhino cross paths much more than Gaur. Water Buffalo are very close in size compared to Gaur for scaling purposes.
Ok, that of course explains a lot. I am not so interested about size comparisons in this case, but more about interaction in wild. Interesting species.
I'd imagine it's like anywhere else, most of the time herbivores graze peacefully, sometimes you have individuals who become aggressive, usually young males coming into their own, males during the mating season or protective mothers and in those instances the bigger you are the more you get to make the rules. Rhinos have notoriously bad attitudes, and the only thing moving them around would be the Elephants.
(01-10-2019, 12:12 AM)brotherbear Wrote: An interesting comparison might be a bull gaur compared to a great Indian one-horned rhinoceros.
here, i included banteng also to comprehend the size difference -the shoulder height given for banteng in Wikipedia is quite low at 5.6ft, which makes them tiny compared to these two behemoths, maybe some specimen could go up to 6 ft, that would make sense
*This image is copyright of its original author
It is still quite impressive, that biggest bull gaurs can be heavier than average female rhinos. I remember seeing in more than one place mentioned, that female rhinos in India are in average about 1600 kg. And biggest bull gaurs are said to weight in exceptional cases even 1700 kg. If that animal would happen to run full speed to side of bull rhino, it for sure would feel it. I wander if there is some reason why so difficult to find photos about these two species nearby each others? I have no idea, just thinking, that maybe too close match and two species known to be aggressive too time to time. But if someone has knowledge, maybe that could be discussed in gaur thread, not here.
There are very few places where they overlap and the few where they do Gaur numbers are low. Water Buffalo and Rhino cross paths much more than Gaur. Water Buffalo are very close in size compared to Gaur for scaling purposes.
Ok, that of course explains a lot. I am not so interested about size comparisons in this case, but more about interaction in wild. Interesting species.
I'd imagine it's like anywhere else, most of the time herbivores graze peacefully, sometimes you have individuals who become aggressive, usually young males coming into their own, males during the mating season or protective mothers and in those instances the bigger you are the more you get to make the rules. Rhinos have notoriously bad attitudes, and the only thing moving them around would be the Elephants.
Or a pack of gaurs in anger might do the job too. If they are acting like wild dogs for instance and making attacks from multiple directions same time. So there might be also something like mutual respect depending on numbers of animals present at certain places same time. I think also, that more probably they ignore each others and maybe sometimes rhinos can be bullies, but if gaurs act like with tigers have been seen, a single rhino could have troubles and have to retreat also time to time. Rhinos can be seen more often in small numbers or alone than gaurs, I think. But if I find something, I post it in gaur thread, so that not disturbing comparison thread too much :)
01-10-2019, 07:20 PM( This post was last modified: 01-10-2019, 07:21 PM by Pckts )
I can't remember a single instance where a herd ran off a larger herbivore, they seem to only adopt that defense towards predators.
Usually females choose flight over fight when it comes to larger Male herbivores and herds are mainly made up of females and young ones, even that famous video of the rhino vs the Cape, you can see his bachelor brothers try to help but to no avail, they dont seem to efficiently defend that way against other large competitors.
