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Lions of Manyeleti
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 (02-04-2025, 09:14 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:I totally agree that genetics and disease play a big factor but to be fair, HB Matimba looked every bit of 14 years while S. Shishangeni male, while being the same age, seems to have found the Fountain of Youth in Southern KNP.(02-04-2025, 02:24 PM)Rabubi Wrote: With reference to this comment on the Mbiri Males and the conversation we all had about the PCMs a few days ago, I am seriously wondering if there is a real tradeoff between early development/territoriality and longevity among male lions. Along with genetics and diseases, I think that mileage (covering ground and constant fights) also influences longevity.  
@Tr1x24 HB indeed reached 14 but he wasn't in the best of conditions, and as soon as he got ousted, he died.
Which makes me think, what sort of nature's freak the S.Shishangeni is? 14, a nomad for idk how long ( more than a year )? And videos from him a few days ago show him as an absolute tank without a hint of deterioration, you look at him and see a huge prime male. So I'm not sure it's disease or just plain genetics, look at eastern african lions, such as in Mara, few reach that age, in fact I think we might be able to name many more Kruger lions that reached 14 than Eastern lions. I think if the lion has a disease, he ain't getting over even 10yo, never mind as a nomad.  (Yesterday, 10:26 PM)Mapokser Wrote: @Tr1x24 HB indeed eached 14 but he wasn't in the best of conditions, and as soon as he got ousted, he died. Were the N Shishangenis younger than their southern brother? They were always in amazing shape as well, and looked to have a few years left, yet, until they bit off more than they could chew with the Gomos, what a terrible day that was.  (Today, 12:28 AM)BA0701 Wrote: Were the N Shishangenis younger than their southern brother? They were always in amazing shape as well, and looked to have a few years left, yet, until they bit off more than they could chew with the Gomos, what a terrible day that was. They where not brothers, as far its known. They where prob born around the same time, around 2010s. 
RRM and Nharu pride yesterday, again with his Nharu son, the one with the assymmetric / crooked mouth, the one he was seen with also in other videos lately.
so in previous page there was discussion how old the two remaining RRM sons are. Decided to look into older Tintswalo videos and found one where there are still 4 (!) Nharu young males in the pride, including the crooked mouth boy. He had that crooked mouth from a young age. Video published in July 2022, looking at him the boy must have been 2+ years already (7:05 mark in the video). So he could very well be 4.5 - 5 years old now. His mane is getting really dark now. We also know he is quite a large young male. The other "ousted" brother I personally have not seen in footage in a long time. What I find really interesting that, despite this son being 4.5+ years, dark mane etc, he is still being tolerated, while other sons were probably ousted much sooner. He probably has a great bond with his father and/or does not show dominant behaviour towards the females and cubs. Although, I have not seen him patrolling yet with his father, or scent marking or any of that. Like other said, hope he can team up with his father, who could use some backup in the late stages of his reign. |
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