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Sekoti of the Renegade coalition with a Northern Pride lioness, some of the lionesses in this pride are actually related to the Renegade coalition as they were sired by their older brothers: Tsekedi, Blondie and Pretty Boy of the Rebel coalition.
01-05-2024, 01:01 PM( This post was last modified: 01-05-2024, 01:04 PM by KM600 )
I also ended up finding an interesting fact too that Sekekama and TornNose have successfully raised more offspring than we had first thought. Apparently they sired 6 younger males in Marsh Pride who were named separately from M1-M6. That would take their number of males sired to around 19 and even that number isn’t taking into consideration the Machabe males who were most likely sired by them and Tsunami hasn’t been included either. Didn’t include these males to the number as although it’s very likely they were also sired by Sekekama and TornNose, it’s not as official as with the others.
It was perhaps the hugest male lions coaltion in Botswana. It's said that one of these legendary lions weighed 260 kilogramms.
" Located on the border with Botswana, near the Kalahari Desert, Madikwe Game Reserve is the fifth largest game reserve in South Africa.
As one of the lesser known reserves, this hidden gem is considered one of the best conservation areas in Africa, and was once home to large lions."
06-20-2024, 02:22 PM( This post was last modified: 06-20-2024, 03:11 PM by KM600 )
Big news! Remember when I said Sekekama and TornNose had sired 6 males from the Marsh Pride named seperately from M1 - M6, well it seems they haven’t disappeared like I had previously thought. I’ve asked for more information on these males just to see if they’re still together / dominant over any pride which is possible given they’ve been named. Further cements Sekemama and TornNose already legendary status.
Just found out they control a pride of five lionesses and seven cubs. Seems like it’s still just M1 and M2 together, hopefully the other 4 managed to make something of themselves too.
(06-20-2024, 02:22 PM)KM600 Wrote: Big news! Remember when I said Sekekama and TornNose had sired 6 males from the Marsh Pride named seperately from M1 - M6, well it seems they haven’t disappeared like I had previously thought. I’ve asked for more information on these males just to see if they’re still together / dominant over any pride which is possible given they’ve been named. Further cements Sekemama and TornNose already legendary status.
Just found out they control a pride of five lionesses and seven cubs. Seems like it’s still just M1 and M2 together, hopefully the other 4 managed to make something of themselves too.
That boy is so clean and pretty it's almost like a captive male. Geez, that's a pretty boy.
(06-20-2024, 02:22 PM)KM600 Wrote: Big news! Remember when I said Sekekama and TornNose had sired 6 males from the Marsh Pride named seperately from M1 - M6, well it seems they haven’t disappeared like I had previously thought. I’ve asked for more information on these males just to see if they’re still together / dominant over any pride which is possible given they’ve been named. Further cements Sekemama and TornNose already legendary status.
Just found out they control a pride of five lionesses and seven cubs. Seems like it’s still just M1 and M2 together, hopefully the other 4 managed to make something of themselves too.
That boy is so clean and pretty it's almost like a captive male. Geez, that's a pretty boy.
I agree, was just thinking hopefully they stick with M1 and M2 names for time being cos I can really see him being named Pretty Boy. With Sekekama and TornNose already having 2 of their offspring named Pretty Boy, it wouldn’t make sense.
Photos of both brothers - M1 and M2. Not much into debating about size in lions but Tristan in his comments said they’re the biggest lions he’s ever seen and as most of u know, he’s been around a lot of big males especially in Sabi Sands and Manyeleti. I heard these boys, along with their brothers most likely left Marsh Pride with their fathers, some other Marsh Pride members were said to have left with them too. They should be around 5 years old.
07-06-2024, 07:54 PM( This post was last modified: 07-06-2024, 08:03 PM by KM600 )
These boys should be around the same age as the PCMs with Sekoti being around 2 years older. Anytime I see a photo of them, I notice they still have clean faces for a coalition that rules such a big territory. Most likely means these boys are well respected and haven’t faced a serious challenge, I mean so were their fathers and it was just two of them so imagine 4 big males. Should also mean each member has a unique bond, we’ve all seen coalition members who inflict serious injuries upon one another over simple things such as mating rights. These boys seem to be different.
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(07-06-2024, 07:54 PM)KM600 Wrote: These boys should be around the same age as the PCMs with Sekoti being around 2 years older. Anytime I see a photo of them, I notice they still have clean faces for a coalition that rules such a big territory. Most likely means these boys are well respected and haven’t faced a serious challenge, I mean so were their fathers and it was just two of them so imagine 4 big males. Should also mean each member has a unique bond, we’ve all seen coalition members who inflict serious injuries upon one another over simple things such as mating rights. These boys seem to be different.
They are the sons of Sekekama and Torn Nose, right? I always wondered why Savage Kingdom did not show much of Torn Nose, they almost made him appear a wandering nomad. Any word on Tseketi, recently? He too, could have had another brother, had Sekekama not killed him, he killed that young male for venturing too close to his mother, and yet permitted Tseketi to linger longer than most. Lion behavior seems to always remind us just how little we understand about them.
(07-06-2024, 07:54 PM)KM600 Wrote: These boys should be around the same age as the PCMs with Sekoti being around 2 years older. Anytime I see a photo of them, I notice they still have clean faces for a coalition that rules such a big territory. Most likely means these boys are well respected and haven’t faced a serious challenge, I mean so were their fathers and it was just two of them so imagine 4 big males. Should also mean each member has a unique bond, we’ve all seen coalition members who inflict serious injuries upon one another over simple things such as mating rights. These boys seem to be different.
They are the sons of Sekekama and Torn Nose, right? I always wondered why Savage Kingdom did not show much of Torn Nose, they almost made him appear a wandering nomad. Any word on Tseketi, recently? He too, could have had another brother, had Sekekama not killed him, he killed that young male for venturing too close to his mother, and yet permitted Tseketi to linger longer than most. Lion behavior seems to always remind us just how little we understand about them.
Last update of Tsekedi was in 2022 and yes these males are the youngest brothers of Tsekedi, all born into Marsh Pride. I, too, didn’t like how TornNose coming across in Savage Kingdom. It was almost like they shut him down to build up Sekekama that much more to further show the harsh realities of lions. I get it, they decided to take that route to sell their idea and it worked.
Just a shame TornNose isn’t as famous worldwide especially being apart one of the most successful coalitions and ruling around 10 years as a duo with Sekekama, not even taking into account the other years he was also a dominant male in a coalition of 5 before they permanently split. It should be like how ppl speak on Kinky Tail and Mr T, u can’t mention one without the other.
