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(09-13-2023, 11:51 PM)239Pu Wrote:

Quote:Nkuhuma male with couple of scars on his back, nice seeing this fella still kicking




Most likely from Gijima males as he was tracking the Talamati females and only recently all 4 were seen with the Gijimas as opposed to the youngest one who was the first to mate with them, although u can’t rule out the young Kambula males doing this to him. Bad luck after bad luck with Nkuhuma, ppl made a lot of him with the Talamati females thinking it was finally his time but I always had a feeling it wouldn’t last, not with how packed SS is at the moment, wanted him to stay with the Talamati males but nobody seems to know why that partnership never ended up working out.
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Recent sighting of the Southern Pride cubs. All three lionesses were present as well.

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@Tr1x24 I heard 4 males and 1 female.

Regardless do you know how many are from the Selati daughters and how many from the Matimba daughter?
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(09-14-2023, 12:37 AM)Mapokser Wrote: @Tr1x24 I heard 4 males and 1 female.

Regardless do you know how many are from the Selati daughters and how many from the Matimba daughter?

Im pretty sure its 3M and 2F.


Idk.
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(09-13-2023, 07:41 PM)KM600 Wrote:
(09-13-2023, 07:00 PM)NLAL11 Wrote:
(09-13-2023, 03:52 AM)KM600 Wrote: Short term thinking it allows more genes to spread in SS and better the lion dynamics to a certain point, but where do this breakaway pride get their territory from, assuming they only start a pride with Chela and the Avoca daughters. Unless they plan on ousting either S8 and the Talamati breakaways or Mohawks, his sons and core Nkuhuma Pride, the only other adjacent territory is controlled by the Talamati Pride who are currently South. Unless the Talamatis stay South and give up their territory, the new Nkuhuma breakaways with the BDMs would essentially be pushing out a whole pride in order to control their own territory.

Here we go again. Surely Chela (and the Avoca daughters, if they stay with her) would be the core pride, and the Birmingham daughters the breakaways.

This is how it happens. The BDMs are here, and here to stay. They have now fathered cubs with Chela. A split is almost inevitable, as we can't know when the BBoy daughters will come back into oestrus. Mohawk and his sons have been ousted. And they need to move off anyway, the sons are too closely related to all the females in the area. The BBoy daughters already ventured to the Western Sector since the arrival of the BDMs, they'll find somewhere else. If they do split permanently that is. And the Talamatis in the north are only one lioness and five sub adults. There's plenty of room in Djuma, Buffelshoek, Nkorho, Elephant Plains, Arathusa, northern Londolozi and Mala Mala for three small prides.


Think you’re definition of ‘ousted’ is different to mine, Mohawk since the BDMs arrival isn’t a territorial male anymore that’s established but he’s still a pride male, it’s not like he’s been forced to completely leave the area he use to rule. The BDMs have occasionally chased him out his territory such as when Mohawk and his sons had to find refuge in S8 territory and they also went into Manyeleti which may have been down to them either being kicked out yet again or maybe they just followed the buffalo. The whole reason BDMs aren’t as successful as people had guessed they would be from the start is cos they can’t form a proper takeover, chasing Mohawk and his sons occasionally as well as S8 and the Talamatis does nothing for them apart from establish power we already know they possess, they need to focus on either the Nkuhuma Pride or the Talamati breakaways until their pride male is properly ousted to the point of no return. 

In response to Mohawks son’s needing to move off as they’re too closely related to the females, I disagree, I’m not one to say I agree with incest in lions but you’d be lying if u think they didn’t seem like a formidable coalition in the making. Cubs produced under their reign would be more likely to survive and that in itself improves the lion dynamics, ofcourse this point is pretty useless until they start showing they’re ready to be a dominant coalition but the BDMs are giving them the time they need.

They are also chasing Skorro Orpen on ocassion, nothing to take over but still a nuisance to deal with for them. Unless he is getting smarter about his movement further from them.
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(09-14-2023, 12:49 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:
(09-14-2023, 12:37 AM)Mapokser Wrote: @Tr1x24 I heard 4 males and 1 female.

Regardless do you know how many are from the Selati daughters and how many from the Matimba daughter?

Im pretty sure its 3M and 2F.


Idk.

Yup, 3,2 for sure. 

2 of the males doing well sticking to the adult female getting meals the other three seems to miss out at times. Which kind of worries me, in the sense that like in the previous batch of litters (current Talamati young male, now 2), one male tended to spend time with a sister rather than bonding more with brothers and eventually went missing. Hopefully nothing like that will happen with these ones (already shame their solo little brother did not make it). Besisdes one female feeding 5 sub adults (if they ares still rather cubs, they will be sub-adults later anyway so it still applies) with majority of males is already quite a feat, although the ration is not as taxing as with Mhangeni 12. Afaik the young ones still don't help with hunting like Floppy Ear Styx got involved out of necessity in his situation, hunting with his sisters, out of pride. 

That group is split at feeding repeatedly is bit worrying though, hopefully there is no food scarcity behind that and just happened randomly.
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Another example that Londolozi considers Skorro Breakaway male to be territorial at Londolozi , by Kyle Gordon in Kambulas roaring post:


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(09-14-2023, 05:05 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: Another example that Londolozi considers Skorro Breakaway male to be territorial at Londolozi , by Kyle Gordon in Kambulas roaring post:


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That is the same male who was seen crossing the river to answer the Tsalala Princess' calls, right? Have not heard much since that happened, perhaps they have made a pair.
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(09-14-2023, 08:37 PM)Tonpa Wrote:




I am really glad to see this, they haven't abandoned them, nor forgotten about them. While his brother is busy mating, he still had duties to attend to with the Southern Pride. In the video he seems to be right in the middle of all of them. 

I wish the Gijimas were moving in pairs, like the PCM do most of the time and S Avocas used to. Those two, more than a lot of others, know well what can happen if a lone coalition male gets caught out by himself, and there are a couple or large coalitions roaming around in that neck of the woods.
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Solo cat, not sure who. Came from Torchwood and walked towards Kruger


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So I have a question about lion cubs and I’ve seen it many times but can’t tell if it’s true… are male cubs usually darker and female lighter colored
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(09-14-2023, 10:07 PM)Tylermartin! Wrote: So I have a question about lion cubs and I’ve seen it many times but can’t tell if it’s true… are male cubs usually darker and female lighter colored

I've never noticed differences like that, sort of like house cats, you can't often tell until you see the dangly bits.
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(09-14-2023, 10:07 PM)Tylermartin! Wrote: So I have a question about lion cubs and I’ve seen it many times but can’t tell if it’s true… are male cubs usually darker and female lighter colored

Not sure if it’s scientifically proven but I’ve heard the same thing and occasionally noticed it aswell, although it tends to be when they’ve grown quite a bit, I’ve never noticed it from cubs that have just been born.
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(09-14-2023, 10:27 PM)KM600 Wrote:
(09-14-2023, 10:07 PM)Tylermartin! Wrote: So I have a question about lion cubs and I’ve seen it many times but can’t tell if it’s true… are male cubs usually darker and female lighter colored

Not sure if it’s scientifically proven but I’ve heard the same thing and occasionally noticed it aswell, although it tends to be when they’ve grown quite a bit, I’ve never noticed it from cubs that have just been born.

Would be very interesting if it is true. If it is, then I haven't noticed it simply because I go in expecting all of the cubs to have a slightly different hue to them, just like any other animal. Perfect example, which proves what you and @Tylermartin! are saying, as well as what I just said, is Floppy Ear Styx, when he was born he was darker than the other cubs, along with countless other examples I could make. I always just chalked it up to random color variations, as opposed to a male/female differences, but perhaps there is indeed something to it.
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