Lions of Sabi Sands

[Tr1x24]

(10-21-2020, 10:22 PM)TinoArmando Wrote: 1 of the 2 Kruger males near Jones Dam a few years ago.
Now he's being seen more and more in the northern Sabi Sands with the Torchwood pride.
Only time will tell if they choose Sabi Sands as their main territory.

Its very likely that they or 1 of them is sired by Old Mazithi males, as they where dominant around that area at that time:

*This image is copyright of its original author

They are very similar, i think that might be his father.. Reply

[T I N O]

(10-21-2020, 10:34 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(10-21-2020, 10:22 PM)TinoArmando Wrote: 1 of the 2 Kruger males near Jones Dam a few years ago.
Now he's being seen more and more in the northern Sabi Sands with the Torchwood pride.
Only time will tell if they choose Sabi Sands as their main territory.

Its very likely that they or 1 of them is sired by Old Mazithi males, as they where dominant around that area at that time:

*This image is copyright of its original author

They are very similar, im pretty sure thats his father..

Who knows. Still is hard to know who sired them.
I read on Facebook that could be sons of the Othawa/Robson males.
Anyway,At the moment doesn't exist any proof about it Reply

[Hairy tummy]

Wow, great work with the nose pigmentation piece tr1x24 Reply

[BA0701]

(10-21-2020, 09:41 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: Nose pigmentation is the best way to determine lions age, althrough it can vary to some degree depended of individual,some may have darker earlier then others, but its roughly very similar..

So lets see with few examples of males with recent pictures, first 4 yrs old males :

(Styx, Nkuhuma,Torchwood males) 

*This image is copyright of its original author

Nose very pink, with very few black dots.. 

5 yrs old (estimated age of Nwaswitshakas) :

(Dominant, Belly Scar, Orange Eyes) 

*This image is copyright of its original author

More pigmentation then 4 yrs old males, Wide Nosed male has the most black nose of the 4,so he is prob the oldest of them..

Around 6 yrs old males :

(Othawa male, RRM) 

*This image is copyright of its original author

Much more black pigment.. 

7 yrs old is even more darker:

(Mohawk, Blondie, DM) 

*This image is copyright of its original author

8 yrs is pretty much similar as 7, but after that nose is pretty much all black:

(Nhenha and Tinyo at 10 yrs of age)

*This image is copyright of its original author

I think this is very informative so i made this, but lets now see the nose of that 1 Kruger male :

1 year ago, picture taken in mid 2019:

*This image is copyright of its original author

He has nose similar to Nwaswitshakas, i would say around 5 yrs old there.. Also his mane look very young, similar to Othawa male mane before and Nwaswitshakas manes now.. 

Recent :

*This image is copyright of its original author

Now, everybody has their opinions, but i think based of this, that this male is 6-6.5 yrs old now.. 

His partner looks to be older, prob 7-7.5 yrs old (much darker nose and mane).. 

*This image is copyright of its original author

This was very informative @Tr1x24 good stuff my friend, that took some effort, thank you! Reply

[BA0701]

(10-21-2020, 10:22 PM)TinoArmando Wrote: 1 of the 2 Kruger males near Jones Dam a few years ago.
Now he's being seen more and more in the northern Sabi Sands with the Torchwood pride.
Only time will tell if they choose Sabi Sands as their main territory.
Image credits goes to his Original Author

*This image is copyright of its original author

He is clearly the youngest of the two, but he's in really good shape, to be sure. Hopefully we can get a positive ID soon. Reply

[T I N O]

the Smudge-nosed male look like much mistreated than this boy... I'll say that probably is the most dominant or the less dominant and often is beaten by his brother.
Here is a photo of the Kruger males. I don't know if the one in front is the Smudge-nosed...  would be nice check their whiskers!
Image credits goes to his Original Author

*This image is copyright of its original author

Reply

[Tr1x24]

(10-21-2020, 10:59 PM)TinoArmando Wrote: Who knows. Still is hard to know who sired them.
I read on Facebook that could be sons of the Othawa/Robson males.
Anyway,At the moment doesn't exist any proof about it

Old Mazithi where dominant around Tshokwane/Mazithi Dam/Leeupan, while Robsons a bit south around Kruger Tablets/Jones Dam/Mantimahle Dam..

The Smudge male looks a bit like One Eye Robson Male :

*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author

But the male with scar on his ear dont looks similar to Robson males, yet to Old Mazithi male..

Kruger males dont look similar, and they are different ages it seems, so i think they are not brothers, yet partners or different litters.. Reply

[Tr1x24]

(10-21-2020, 11:17 PM)TinoArmando Wrote: the Smudge-nosed male look like much mistreated than this boy... I'll say that probably is the most dominant or the less dominant and often is beaten by his brother.
Here is a photo of the Kruger males. I don't know if the one in front is the Smudge-nosed...  would be nice check their whiskers!

Where do you find this photos, nice work!

In which year was that?

Idk if that is smudge, he might be.. Reply

[BA0701]

(10-21-2020, 11:17 PM)TinoArmando Wrote: the Smudge-nosed male look like much mistreated than this boy... I'll say that probably is the most dominant or the less dominant and often is beaten by his brother.
Here is a photo of the Kruger males. I don't know if the one in front is the Smudge-nosed...  would be nice check their whiskers!
Image credits goes to his Original Author

*This image is copyright of its original author

Once again Tino, you are providing really helpful information. This is some good work my friend! Reply

[T I N O]

(10-21-2020, 11:56 PM)BA0701 Wrote:

(10-21-2020, 11:17 PM)TinoArmando Wrote: the Smudge-nosed male look like much mistreated than this boy... I'll say that probably is the most dominant or the less dominant and often is beaten by his brother.
Here is a photo of the Kruger males. I don't know if the one in front is the Smudge-nosed...  would be nice check their whiskers!
Image credits goes to his Original Author

*This image is copyright of its original author

Once again Tino, you are providing really helpful information. This is some good work my friend!

Thanks for the kind words BA0701. Reply

[T I N O]

Throwback with Stompie from the Othawa/Robson coalition at Nhlunguleni Road, S36, Kruger National Park, South Africa
Image by: Roman Furrer

*This image is copyright of its original author

Reply

[BA0701]

(10-22-2020, 01:10 AM)TinoArmando Wrote: Throwback with Stompie from the Othawa/Robson coalition at Nhlunguleni Road, S36, Kruger National Park, South Africa
Image by: Roman Furrer

*This image is copyright of its original author

**EDIT**
Removing my incorrect comment, so as to not cause any confusion. The full comment can be seen in @"TinoArmando" reply, who so kindly corrected it. Reply

[T I N O]

(10-22-2020, 01:22 AM)BA0701 Wrote:

(10-22-2020, 01:10 AM)TinoArmando Wrote: Throwback with Stompie from the Othawa/Robson coalition at Nhlunguleni Road, S36, Kruger National Park, South Africa
Image by: Roman Furrer

*This image is copyright of its original author

My friend, were you previously aware that Makhulu had killed Stompie's partner Limper, after he and PB were driven out by the Selatis? I had read that the fight took place, but only recently found out he actually killed Limper. PB was injured in the initial skirmish, so Mak went on his own, tracked down Limper, and killed him. Big Mak cementing his legacy right to the very end. I posted the video that describes the incident in the Mapogos thread a few days ago.

Hey my friend. I think you are referring to the KNP males (Freddy and Limper)
Freddy and Limper were involved on a fight with the remaining Mapogo males when they became nomads after to be driven out by the Southern/Selati males...
During that fight Mak killed to Limper (Apparently It was on a 2v1...) I don't know if is true.
After of that fight both Mapogo were left for dead. not long after of those words the  2 Mapogo males reappeared again like kings! Reply

[BA0701]

(10-22-2020, 01:33 AM)TinoArmando Wrote:

(10-22-2020, 01:22 AM)BA0701 Wrote:

(10-22-2020, 01:10 AM)TinoArmando Wrote: Throwback with Stompie from the Othawa/Robson coalition at Nhlunguleni Road, S36, Kruger National Park, South Africa
Image by: Roman Furrer

*This image is copyright of its original author

My friend, were you previously aware that Makhulu had killed Stompie's partner Limper, after he and PB were driven out by the Selatis? I had read that the fight took place, but only recently found out he actually killed Limper. PB was injured in the initial skirmish, so Mak went on his own, tracked down Limper, and killed him. Big Mak cementing his legacy right to the very end. I posted the video that describes the incident in the Mapogos thread a few days ago.

Hey my friend. I think you are referring to the KNP males (Freddy and Limper)
Freddy and Limper were involved on a fight with the remaining Mapogo males when they became nomads after to be driven out by the Southern/Selati males...
During that fight Mak killed to Limper (Apparently It was on a 2v1...) I don't know if is true.
After of that fight both Mapogo were left for dead. not long after of those words the  2 Mapogo males reappeared again like kings!

Yes, you would be correct, it was indeed Freddy I was referring to. Thank you for clearing that up, and apologies for the mistake. Reply

[T I N O]

(10-22-2020, 01:35 AM)BA0701 Wrote:

(10-22-2020, 01:33 AM)TinoArmando Wrote:

(10-22-2020, 01:22 AM)BA0701 Wrote:

(10-22-2020, 01:10 AM)TinoArmando Wrote: Throwback with Stompie from the Othawa/Robson coalition at Nhlunguleni Road, S36, Kruger National Park, South Africa
Image by: Roman Furrer

*This image is copyright of its original author

My friend, were you previously aware that Makhulu had killed Stompie's partner Limper, after he and PB were driven out by the Selatis? I had read that the fight took place, but only recently found out he actually killed Limper. PB was injured in the initial skirmish, so Mak went on his own, tracked down Limper, and killed him. Big Mak cementing his legacy right to the very end. I posted the video that describes the incident in the Mapogos thread a few days ago.

Hey my friend. I think you are referring to the KNP males (Freddy and Limper)
Freddy and Limper were involved on a fight with the remaining Mapogo males when they became nomads after to be driven out by the Southern/Selati males...
During that fight Mak killed to Limper (Apparently It was on a 2v1...) I don't know if is true.
After of that fight both Mapogo were left for dead. not long after of those words the  2 Mapogo males reappeared again like kings!

Yes, you would be correct, it was indeed Freddy I was referring to. Thank you for clearing that up, and apologies for the mistake.

No worries at all my friend.

Everyone make mistake :) Reply