Coalitions of Kruger National Park

[BA0701]

(08-20-2020, 09:26 AM)Selati Wrote:

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(08-20-2020, 05:05 AM)Selati Wrote:

(08-20-2020, 04:07 AM)BA0701 Wrote:

(08-20-2020, 03:25 AM)titose Wrote: One of the males of the infamous old Gomondwane coalition after fighting with one of his brothers for the mating right, he won the rights but got a mark near his right eye...
Photo taken in February 2012 near of lower sabie on H4-2!
By: Scott N Ramsay

Wow, an inch higher, and he would have been in a really bad way. Not sure, as I have not read of an instance of it happening, but I would imagine if an animal gets blinded in both eyes, the park vets would be forced to humanely euthanize the animal.

As far as I'm aware the policy in Kruger is to let nature take its course and not intervene. So a blinded animal would most likely be left to its fate.

Thank you @Selati for the response. While I totally understand a policy like that, it is certainly not something I would like to ever witness. Then again, as I age, I seem to soften on a lot of things such as this, things that years ago would not have affected me.

Yes its a dilemma really. On one hand you want all the creatures of the bush to be as wild as possible, but on the other it hurts when its possible to help one that's injured but instead let nature take its course.

 One of the more positive differences in the private reserves and a state owned property like KNP, I believe. I have seen comments by Willem Botha that he himself had euthanized several lions that had been mauled by the Mapogo, so at least it does happen in some areas. Reply

[Selati]

One of the 3 S21 Males

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[Selati]

(08-20-2020, 09:47 AM)BA0701 Wrote:

(08-20-2020, 09:26 AM)Selati Wrote:

(08-20-2020, 09:22 AM)BA0701 Wrote:

(08-20-2020, 05:05 AM)Selati Wrote:

(08-20-2020, 04:07 AM)BA0701 Wrote:

(08-20-2020, 03:25 AM)titose Wrote: One of the males of the infamous old Gomondwane coalition after fighting with one of his brothers for the mating right, he won the rights but got a mark near his right eye...
Photo taken in February 2012 near of lower sabie on H4-2!
By: Scott N Ramsay

Wow, an inch higher, and he would have been in a really bad way. Not sure, as I have not read of an instance of it happening, but I would imagine if an animal gets blinded in both eyes, the park vets would be forced to humanely euthanize the animal.

As far as I'm aware the policy in Kruger is to let nature take its course and not intervene. So a blinded animal would most likely be left to its fate.

Thank you @Selati for the response. While I totally understand a policy like that, it is certainly not something I would like to ever witness. Then again, as I age, I seem to soften on a lot of things such as this, things that years ago would not have affected me.

Yes its a dilemma really. On one hand you want all the creatures of the bush to be as wild as possible, but on the other it hurts when its possible to help one that's injured but instead let nature take its course.

 One of the more positive differences in the private reserves and a state owned property like KNP, I believe. I have seen comments by Willem Botha that he himself had euthanized several lions that had been mauled by the Mapogo, so at least it does happen in some areas.

True. However there are some reserves in Sabi Sands such as Djuma who have the same policy as KNP. Reply

[BA0701]

(08-20-2020, 09:50 AM)Selati Wrote: True. However there are some reserves in Sabi Sands such as Djuma who have the same policy as KNP.

I believe a valid argument could be made on both sides of the debate, and I would understand and agree with them all. It is a rare event indeed, that there could be valid arguments on both sides of an issue, and one would be hard pressed to counter one side or the other with anything other than personal emotion, as I believe both sides of this discussion could present facts that would support them.

However, personally, I believe if an animal of any type is compromised to such an extent that it will clearly lead to prolonged suffering if no action is taken, then I firmly believe we as humans should act. The counter to that would obviously be that we don't interfere when a Cape Buffalo is being eaten alive for numerous hours, and that is as valid an argument as the opinion I presented. I don't believe there is any right or wrong on the matter, and simply personal preference. 

I personally have acted, when I have seen animals in the wild that were injured to the point that their outcome had been decided for them, so on a personal level I certainly know what I would do, hard to say what that response would be if there were laws or rules that dictated a particular response. Reply

[BA0701]

(08-20-2020, 09:48 AM)Selati Wrote: One of the 3 S21 Males

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Does that lion have an injury to one of his back legs, or was the image simply captured as he was in the process of lying down? Reply

[Selati]

(08-20-2020, 10:08 AM)BA0701 Wrote:

(08-20-2020, 09:48 AM)Selati Wrote: One of the 3 S21 Males

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Photo Credit: Hanno Erasmus

Does that lion have an injury to one of his back legs, or was the image simply captured as he was in the process of lying down?

I'm not sure. There was no mention of the leg being injured so I assume that Yeah he's in the process of lying down. Reply

[Selati]

(08-20-2020, 10:05 AM)BA0701 Wrote:

(08-20-2020, 09:50 AM)Selati Wrote: True. However there are some reserves in Sabi Sands such as Djuma who have the same policy as KNP.

I believe a valid argument could be made on both sides of the debate, and I would understand and agree with them all. It is a rare event indeed, that there could be valid arguments on both sides of an issue, and one would be hard pressed to counter one side or the other with anything other than personal emotion, as I believe both sides of this discussion could present facts that would support them.

However, personally, I believe if an animal of any type is compromised to such an extent that it will clearly lead to prolonged suffering if no action is taken, then I firmly believe we as humans should act. The counter to that would obviously be that we don't interfere when a Cape Buffalo is being eaten alive for numerous hours, and that is as valid an argument as the opinion I presented. I don't believe there is any right or wrong on the matter, and simply personal preference. 

I personally have acted, when I have seen animals in the wild that were injured to the point that their outcome had been decided for them, so on a personal level I certainly know what I would do, hard to say what that response would be if there were laws or rules that dictated a particular response.

I'd agree with that. Something that is good though is that they will intervene if injury was caused by humans, such as snares. Reply

[Brahim]

"Selati" That’s why I find it strange they euthanised Mazino when they usually let lions suffer no matter their injury Reply

[Selati]

(08-20-2020, 03:25 PM)Brahimlegend Wrote: "Selati" That’s why I find it strange they euthanised Mazino when they usually let lions suffer no matter their injury

If I remember right his injuries were caused by a snare. They will intervene if injures are caused by humans. Reply

[Brahim]

"Selati"   No the snare turned out to be a porcupine. This was long time after . He was just found not using his back legs so they euthanized him. Reply

[Tr1x24]

(08-20-2020, 05:18 PM)Brahimlegend Wrote: "Selati"   No the snare turned out to be a porcupine. This was long time after . He was just found not using his back legs so they euthanized him.

There was definetly cases of euthanizing in Kruger. 

Broken back will lead to death, so even if they euthanize, they dont change the outcome, if death is inevitable, they might just help the animal from unnecessary suffering..

So in a way, thats not intervening.. Reply

[Tr1x24]

Mazithi males near Lower Sabi, Kruger Sightings :

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Also this younger male is spotted in their territory :

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It might be Kinky Tail, unfortunately we cant see the tail.. Reply

[Brahim]

"Tr1x24" 3rd picture is 1 of the 7 Gomondwanes Reply

[Tr1x24]

(08-20-2020, 10:08 PM)Brahimlegend Wrote: "Tr1x24" 3rd picture is 1 of the 7 Gomondwanes

Oh Thx, he looks like Dark Maned Mazithi, but yea he was not in the area where Mazithi where seen, so that was a bit suspitious that he moved so far.. 

So Gomondwanes are definetly expanding, thats on s130 n entrence, thats Tshokwane males territory i think.. Reply

[Brahim]

Yeah not sure what’s going on, think last time they were seen on the s28. Would be great to get a shot of all of them looking older now Reply