Modern Weights and Measurements of Leopards

[Pckts]

(01-24-2023, 03:41 AM)Luipaard Wrote:

(01-24-2023, 03:14 AM)Pckts Wrote:

(01-24-2023, 03:02 AM)Luipaard Wrote: @Pckts 

Do you realise that you're being a hypocrite at this point? You question everything despite what's being presented to you. From personal communications to official reports, you do not believe a single word from the persons who provide us exclusive information. But as expected for jaguars there are different standards. Tell me, what's the difference between a voice message and an Instagram message? Because Iman Mermarian sent three members of this forum the same info and still you do not deem it reliable but an Instagram message from a biologist saying a jaguar weighs "about" 110kg is good enough all of a sudden? You are not playing this game fair and square.

Lets try this one last time...
No one has presented a single shred of evidence for a 115kg Leopard. Who was there, who weighed him, when was he weighed, what were his measurements? etc.
 The only weight mentioned is 95kg so what is the issue?
Not to mention this specific Leopard has had controversy left and right with multiple weights claimed and thrown away. 
In regards to the Biologist, he literally is on video discussing the capture the and measurements of Joker, Oncafari has provided actual capture data and measurements. Where as Iman has provided nothing that's comparable. 

You use fan made tables on skull measurements and 2nd hand Persian leopard measurements with no clarification what weights exist or where they came from yet question anything to do with verified Jaguar data. 
The only hypocrite I see is you.

Quote:Lets try this one last time...
No one has presented a single shred of evidence for a 115kg Leopard. Who was there, who weighed him, when was he weighed, what were his measurements? etc.
 The only weight mentioned is 95kg so what is the issue?

The issue is that you doubt the 95kg figure even after seeing the official report. What more can you ask bar body measurements? Who was there during the weighing of the cat? Iman Memarian, hence why he told us he weighed that much initially and why he's mentioned in the study. The only thing you lack are body measurements, but for jaguars you don't seem to require them hence jaguar 'Mango' being accepted immediately to the infamous table.

Quote:Not to mention this specific Leopard has had controversy left and right with multiple weights claimed and thrown away.

So did Lopez the outlier jaguar who was added twice to the infamous table at one point?

Quote:In regards to the Biologist, he literally is on video discussing the capture the and measurements of Joker, Oncafari has provided actual capture data and measurements. Where as Iman has provided nothing that's comparable.

Iman Memarian has provided his weight (around the time of his euthanasia) alongside two professors. Again this is not enough for you to be reliable but a video or an Instagram message is for jaguars.

Quote:You use fan made tables on skull measurements and 2nd hand Persian leopard measurements with no clarification what weights exist or where they came from yet question anything to do with verified Jaguar data.
The only hypocrite I see is you.

First of all, the "fan made" table contains data from scientific sources exclusively. The jaguar table contains weights from all sort of sources. After all an estimated weight is enough for you to be added to said table (i.e. Mango weighing "around" 110kg).

Very verified I must say.

Quote:The issue is that you doubt the 95kg figure even after seeing the official report. What more can you ask bar body measurements? Who was there during the weighing of the cat? Iman Memarian, hence why he told us he weighed that much initially and why he's mentioned in the study. The only thing you lack are body measurements, but for jaguars you don't seem to require them hence jaguar 'Mango' being accepted immediately to the infamous table.

How about clarification when said Leopard actually weighed 95kg or 115kg or 98kg? How about the weighing procedure, scale used, body measurements, etc.
It's not that difficult. You have multiple claims, without corresponding valid information. 

Mango is simple posted from what the Biologist involved in his capture and collaring stated. You know, the same biologist on video discussing measurements and capture dates and providing those details in public. 

Whether you accept them or not means nothing especially when you post trophy hunter FB posts with no verification for Leopards weighing 80kgs.  

Quote:So did Lopez the outlier jaguar who was added twice to the infamous table at one point?

When was this? When they first made the table and was quickly corrected? 
Meanwhile the same table you use over and over again for Persian Leopards is 2nd sources and you can't even provide the identities of any Leopard mentioned at a weight of 90kgs. Or you using species specific general weights as individuals? 

Quote:Iman Memarian has provided his weight (around the time of his euthanasia) alongside two professors. Again this is not enough for you to be reliable but a video or an Instagram message is for jaguars.

No, just him. And the weight''s'' are all over the board. 3-4 of which he wasn't there for not to  mention one of which that's an "estimated" weight without clarification on when which came and from whom. 
And again your excuses for the Jaguar weights which come from the capture team with data and video/images of the exact capture compared to you using FB trophy hunter claims or trying to 2nd hand weights without knowing where they came from hold no weight. 
You don't seem to realize how poorly these excuses are representing you.

Quote:First of all, the "fan made" table contains data from scientific sources exclusively. The jaguar table contains weights from all sort of sources. After all an estimated weight is enough for you to be added to said table (i.e. Mango weighing "around" 110kg).

 
You mean 2nd hand sources? 
From which you have no clue corresponding captures, weights, measurements, specific details that go along with them compared to all of those data specifics mentioned with the Jaguars. 
And again you use this same excuse you used the last 3 paragraphs meanwhile it holds no truth and only highlights your hypocrisy on the matter. Reply