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04-06-2015, 09:57 PM( This post was last modified: 04-06-2015, 10:08 PM by Pckts )
(04-05-2015, 11:38 PM)'brotherbear' Wrote: Two men stand face-to-face in the wrestling ring. Both men are athletes. Each of these men stands 6 feet tall. The man in the red trunks weighs 150 pounds. The man in the blue trunks weighs 250 pounds. The man in the blue trunks is obviously the more robust of the two, and very likely the stronger of these two men.
When you are comparing two different species of Carnivora, and wish to decide which is the stronger of the two, you should compare them at length and height parity ( length and height in union ) to determine which species is the more robust. If you compare them at weight parity, then you are proving nothing at all.
Pckts, try to soak this in and make an attempt at comprehending. One more thing, my guess is that at weight parity, the smaller bear is probably about equal in overall strength with the larger tiger.
Once again, this is not what we are talking about.
A bear is heavier at a smaller body length, but once again that is not apples to apples. Bears carry far more fat. Which of course effects weight, Tigers are once again, Longer and reach their maximum size with length.
So your pointless example of a 6' man at 150lbs and the other at 250lbs is not correct. Try to comprehend this, I will use your example to make it easier on you.
A tiger would be a 6'6'' man at 250lbs and a bear would be a 6' man at 250lbs, since of course we are speaking about weight parity!
Which would be stronger?
Impossible to say, and since you are trying to say a bear is stronger than a tiger you have no way to prove it. If you want to say a Heavier bear is stronger than a Lighter Tiger/Big Cat, that is completely different from what we are talking about. The only way to compare animals at different weights for lb for lb strength is to use their body weight against the weight they can lift, etc.
A bear being more compact and heavier at a smaller body size has nothing to do with strength compared to a tiger being longer and not quite as heavy. Another example is this, 5'10'' 600lb obese man is far weaker than a 5'10'' 180lb power lifter. That example you try to use over and over again is meaningless. The only way to compare strength is Lb for Lb when talking about different sized animals. And Lb for Lb aka 500lb Tiger or 500lb bear [img]images/smilies/dodgy.gif[/img] you have no clue which is stronger.
Using my Power lifter vs Obese man example a step further,
A power lifter is stronger because of the lifestyle he leads. He is continually pushing himself to grow stronger and increase his PR (personal record) constantly and the obese person who is the far heavier person could never come close to hitting the PL's "deadlift, Bench or Squat"
So looking at their Lifestyles, the bear spends an entire season sleeping, which gives the tiger an extra 2-4 months of "training time" a year as well as the harsher lifestyle of being a predator where they are fighting for a meals every other day while a bear is able to be omnivorous and pack on fat eating a far easier diet. A tiger can't survive and be obese, a bear needs to be fat to survive.
