Modern Weights and Measurements of Jaguars

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(12-23-2019, 10:30 PM)Pckts Wrote: "The Jaguars Skull after the Drying Period, measured 20 1/4'' 
His Weight must of been close to 130kg on an Empty Belly"

Notice his skull was dried and his estimated weight of 130kg was on an Empty Stomach.

You need to read my post again because now you’re just making pointless statements and putting words in my mouth.

I never said the skull of Ken Vaugn’s huge jaguar was not dried. Read my post again.

I never disputed Almieda’s estimate of about 130kg for his biggest jaguar. This is not news, all of us interested in the subject have known this for years.

Now read carefully: You had stated in your previous post that Almeida’s biggest jaguar was estimated at at least 130kg – the phrase “at least” implies a lower limit of 130kg. When in fact Almeida clearly stated he estimated it at close to 130kg – the phrase “close to” implies an upper limit of 130kg for that particular jag. The two phrases have opposite meanings and my point was that you are being disingenuous with your presentation of the info you are trying to present.

As already explained, in another part of his book Almeida suggested a weight of 124-129kg for this huge jaguar (5-10kg heavier than the heaviest he weighed at 119kg).

Quote:Let's not forget that he knew of multiple Skulls larger than that as well

"3x's 21+'' Jaguar Scores mentioned by Almeida

2 Skulls that Scored over 21'' from Jaguar Hunting in the Mato Grosso and Bolivia page 56

"Padrin also sent me a photo and the measurements of the record skull of a Venezuelan Jaguar, shot near the town of San Fernando de Apure, in 1946, by a man called Spencel. This skull, now in the museum of the Universidad Central De Venezuela, Caracas, measures 21 3/16! (Major A. Ellis had a skull of similar proportions from a jaguar shot in Miranda, southern Pantanal, and that was the biggest skull of a Brazilian jaguar that I have ever heard of.) Spencel's jaguar reputedly weighed 264 lbs (120 kilos). A photo of a jaguar being weighed in at 325 lbs (148kg) is shown in Mondolfi and Hoogjesteijn's study on the Venezuelan jaguar."

And to compare the Largest Jaguar Almeida weighed, the 119kg Jaguar empty belly had pug marks under the 5'' mark while another they were unsuccessful in capturing surpassed that by a decent amount. 

Fact remains that Almeida only estimated one jaguar at close to 130kg. Your statement that he had estimated a few at this weight is disingenuous.

Quote:The bait was no more 4-5kg of Fish and it's been noted at the capture that the Jaguar wasn't full, so you can try to split hairs but that Jaguar is as close to empty as you're going to get with a wild Cat.

No that is not as close as you’re going to get to a wild cat with an empty stomach. If you think the stomach content was small that’s fine but blatantly stating it was empty is once again disingenuous.

Quote:I'm not sure how you can come to this conclusion, his weights are verified and you like to use him as bible for Jaguar weights but now that you know he never said they get to 119kg max and that he knew of a few over 119kg, he's exaggerating?

What are you talking about?? I’ve had both of Almeida’s books for years, you’re not providing anything new here. Not once have I said 119kg is the max possible or that Almeida said that was the maximum attainable. But 119kg was the heaviest he recorded from nearly 40 adult male jaguars weighed in the northern Pantanal – this suggests a jaguar of around 120kg empty stomach is a pretty big one (not the maximum but certainly well above average).

Also, I said the weights of the jaguars hunted by Almeida were being exaggerated by others (he himself did not exaggerate anything). Even though we know the weights of most of his jaguars, people on the internet have been posting exaggerated weights for those same individual jaguars - (for example your post #29 on page 2 of this thread which had started this whole convo).


Before you post a response actually read what I’ve written this time.   Reply