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(10-29-2019, 02:32 AM)Pckts Wrote: 1: Again, Caiman in the Panatanal can get to 100kg and 10' long, I've seen many in person that size.
2: The Jaguar is undoubtedly the ruler of that area, I'm not saying they can prey on a full grown Black Caiman but I'm certainly not saying they cannot take one of more modest size either. 3: Like I've said, they are by far the most equipped Big Cat that preys on Crocodilians.
4: The fact that they can hunt and kill large Caiman in deep water then drag them up steep sandy banks with little effort is a perfect example of their capabilities.
5: To call them "overrated" is a Vs mentality that has no place in this discussion.
1: What is your source for this? Unless you are referring to a different species, yacare caiman are most often 14-58 kg while spectacled caiman are 7-40 kg. Furthermore, 2 more things to consider regarding that:
-What accounts do we have, aside from the 1 account of the jaguar ambushing the black caiman, of a jaguar killing a 100 plus kg crocodilian by ambush or not? Every account I have ever seen is of a jaguar ambushing a similar sized or significantly smaller caiman
2: Never denied they could. What I said was that a crocodilian 2-3 times (give or take some) wins against a jaguar in my opinion.
3: Never denied that.
4: Source? Accounts? I have never seen nor heard of this from jaguars before now
5: And it was just my opinion of jaguars against big crocodiles. That is precisely what this thread is for. How does it not have a place in this discussion?