ON THE EDGE OF EXTINCTION - C - THE JAGUAR (Panthera onca)

[lionjaguar]

(10-12-2019, 07:45 PM)Shadow Wrote:

(10-12-2019, 06:25 AM)lionjaguar Wrote:

(10-12-2019, 05:46 AM)Pckts Wrote: This is Marley, 

In this video he had already beaten this male a week earlier and the male is just trying to save face but wasn't seen really after this.

Then this is Marley here as well

Marley had been mating with this female then saw this Giant male sitting atop the bank, Marley rushed up to run the male off and then the giant male turned the tables and whooped Marley and sent him swimming for his life.
That male had never been seen by Paulo before that, but Paulo said hes easily larger than Adriano. I saw that male mating with a giant female named Hunter on my trip.

What makes marley special is that he was born and raised in the meetings of the 3 rivers and he never left *very rare*
Marley also isn't the largest male but he has battled and defeated many larger males and hes also lost many as you see but he never leaves, his grit makes him a mainstay there for now. 

You can read all about my trip with Paulo and the pantanal here 
https://wildfact.com/forum/topic-your-wi...nal-brazil

From what I heard, this is Scarface. The jaguar who was beaten by Marley or Juru from your post. I guess Scarface disappeared or died then.

2nd video of Marley 
I can't tell which jaguars are actually bigger. 'Giant male' looks bigger because he is on top and smashing Marley. Their fight looks nothing compared to lions or street cats. Swing their front legs just like teenage girls fighting.

I can't understand what you wrote. born and raised in the meetings of the three rivers?? He never left?

Quote:What makes marley special is that he was born and raised in the meetings of the 3 rivers and he never left *very rare*

I have to ask, that what you are now trying to find out here?

You talk about it, how jaguars fight. They seem to fight like all other big cats, don´t they? Idea of territorial fight isn´t always to kill another, just to make it to submit and leave the area. In extreme cases another one gets seriously injured or killed.

Lions are unique among big cats in that way, that they form coalitions and prides. So their fights have more variations from 1-1 to many different kind of compositions, when there can be one lion against coalition or coalitions against each others etc. Some say, that life of a male lion is as harsh as it can get, maybe it is. But it doesn´t mean, that it would be easy for other species.

What comes to Marley, it looks obvious what @Pckts means. Marley is one of the rare jaguars, who have born at Pantanal and have managed to survive there to adulthood and claim their own territory. When normally jaguars born in Pantanal are forced to leave that area as youngsters by bigger adult ones.

What comes to sizes and to whom you trust as sources. You have right to question guides who earn money from tourists. Still when you look closer, not only guides tell about big jaguars. Also valid and credible people doing scientific research (zoologists/biologists) confirm, that there are some very big ones in Pantanal area. When looking at it, that how credible someone is, it´s good to look at it too, that does someone talk a lot of things, which are in contradiction with confirmed facts found out by scientific research. For instance this guide Paulo looks like to be ok, not giving statements without reasoning.

But it would be good if you could clarify a bit, that what you are now seeking here? And saying, that jaguars are "just like teenage girls fighting" doesn´t make you look good. Disagreements are inevitable sometimes, but if you don´t respect wildlife and wild animals, what are you doing here? For me statements like that look like disrespecting certain species. Especially when that same phrase can be used to describe also lions, tigers, leopards etc. when looking at certain incidents. It just is so, that not all fights are as serious as others. Still many jaguars have nasty scars reminding about fights, which have been more serious ones.

I think that is your persona opinion. Your country don't even have any big cats, but both of my parents are from countries that had jaguars and lions. They are culturally associated us. I respect them more than anyone because my parents are from the Middle East and Latin America. What makes you to think I am not respecting jaguars, and any other animals after reading my post? It is your own personal mistake problem if you think I am insulting jaguars for saying, "just like teenage girls fighting." Reply