Felids Interactions - Interspecific Conflicts

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(10-01-2019, 10:34 PM)Shadow Wrote:

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(09-29-2019, 06:17 PM)Shadow Wrote: I noticed by accident more information about one older case, where dogs injured a tiger. Looks like those were stray dogs. In this article was just mentioned wild dogs https://zeenews.india.com/news/eco-news/pack-of-wild-dogs-attack-and-injure-tiger-at-panna-reserve_877236.html

In this article is now said clearly that stray dogs and a bit more information concerning injuries.

Quote: 

"On September 10, 2013, a three-year-old tiger, P-212, was attacked by a stray dog near Hinouta range inside Panna Tiger reserve in one of the rarest occurrences. 

The tiger was tranquilized and shifted to enclosure following multiple bites on its nose and tail. 

Incidents of dogs and wild boars chasing tigers have been reported from other forest areas, too."

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bhopal/now-wild-boars-kill-tiger/articleshow/63590359.cms

Both incidents sound speculative, if a Tiger was killed by a boar it'd show wounds and no stray dog could be anything more than prey for a Tiger, even a 3 year old.

Edut: I found it, P212 was treated for rabies.

Well, wild boars have been reported to kill some tigers in official reports from India and Russia, so nothing special in it. Then again if tiger is treated for rabies, dog bites are for sure a good reason to do so.

I cannot recall a single case of an Indian Boar killing a Tiger nor can I recall a Russian one either, but it'd be more believable with a Russian boar.

This is what I got.. Read the next 5-6 posts too.
https://wildfact.com/forum/topic-tiger-p...6#pid53056

It's the same article that was posted in regards to P212
Post #873
Like most TOI articles, evidence is lacking and the claim isn't verified with many questions left unanswered.
Usually seems like poaching or poisoning cover ups over actual animal encounters.

Still it has to be remembered, that tigers do get killed by other animals too. It is just so, that sometimes big predators have bad days and things go wrong. I don´t  see anything too special in it, that sometimes no other explanation can be found, but for instance wild boar. Tigers just aren´t invulnerable. Big cats can take sometimes huge punishment and survive, sometimes hit/wound comes to wrong spot and they die. Of course if we think about poaching cover ups, do we actually have any evidence, that tigers would have killed even one rhino or elephant as often is claimed.... difficult questions.

But from Russia there are also studies confirming, that wild boars have killed tigers. But what is enough evidence is naturally a question, which everyone have to decide themselves.

They can be but when Tigers fight with any animals that are capable of killing them there isn't going to be a lack of evidence. There will be injuries, blood splatter and destroyed ground, you won't walk up to them and not be able to tell if they were electrocuted or poisoned compared to being killed in a drawn out fight.
Also, Fecal matter and hair are hardly conclusive considering you're in the forest where those things exist everywhere.

In regards to adult Rhinos, you have accounts of Rhinos being killed by Tigers in Dudhwa, if you chose to not except those without images that's fine and nobody is saying you're wrong, in regards to Elephants, they have definitely been predated on and there is far more real world evidence to go on, but both cases would be extremely rare and I myself have a hard time believing either healthy adult would ever fall victim to a Tiger. But between the 2, I'd say Tigers have a better chance of taking a Female Elephant over a Rhino, but if either did occur you can bet there would be signs of a long drawn out battle, it wouldn't just be an intact Elephant or Rhino on the ground with no wounds. 


In regards to Russian Boars killing tigers, do you know which Studies have confirmed this?

Some people believe, that tigers have killed rhinos and elephants. Some don´t. It´s basically same situation, do people believe what is told. What comes to Russia, there is a study, it has been shared here in thread on the edge of extinction concerning tigers. It was about tiger mortality in Russian far east, Miquelle and some others have made it. If someone is interested it should be relatively easy to find also from researchgate.

I sincerely believe, now, that a male tiger is able to kill an adult rhino or elephant... But that remains a matter of proportion. It has been said that, in some parks, tigers were responsible for the rhinos extinction... I think it's abusive. Tigers and rhinos, tigers and bears, have been living together within the same regions without the formers exterminated the latters for 2 or 3 millions years. But since some men have started to watch them, it is no more a struggle for life but a total war of extermination. Let us stop to be delirious. Reply