ON THE EDGE OF EXTINCTION - A - THE TIGER (Panthera tigris)

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(02-27-2019, 04:09 AM)smedz Wrote:

(02-27-2019, 03:53 AM)Shadow Wrote:

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(02-27-2019, 03:22 AM)Shadow Wrote:

(02-27-2019, 02:31 AM)smedz Wrote:

(02-26-2019, 07:31 AM)GuateGojira Wrote: Dr Seidensticker captured that tiger in Sundarbarns, and after the dead of the specimen, Sankhala started a black campain againt him and the "western" scientists. At the end, he was the cause that the Smithsonian Institute did not made the tiger study in India. Gladly the goverment of Nepal was more friendly and the Nepal Tiger Project started with the first radiocollared tigers. 

After that, Sankhala started with his policy of protected parks, the strategy worked in that moment, but sady ignored the fact that those parks needed to be interconnected, something that the new science support. Latter, when the first tiger died in Nepal, he returned with his bad publicity against the work of the Smithsonian team in Nepal, but again the Nepalese goverment allowed the continuation of the study.

That same idea agains the methods of study tigers with scientific tools and the black campain, was used against Dr Karanth blaiming him for the dead of several tigers in Nagarahole when in fact he only radiocollared 4 specimens! Just to refresh, the first old male T-01 died from injures of a fight with other tiger, despite been treated by the vets, the other male T-03 died after a fight with a gaur. The same happen with Dr Chundawat in Panna, and I have his entire testimony and the evidence of this.

It seems that the case of Sankhala is less about science and conservation and more about nationalism and politics. In fact, Dr Chundawat mentions a case that one scientist of his personal from Indian origin was rejected by the Ministry of Environment Forest and Climate Change (MOEFCC) from the project in Panna just because he had British ID and they said that "tiger conservation in India was a controversial issue and one could not ensure in this case that there will not be dissemination of sensitive information"! Dr Chundawat says: "I still cannot understand why tiger conservation is considered such a controversial issue and why ecological information on tigers is so sensitive that it cannot be shared with the rest of the world". So, now we know why much of data on size/weight and specific behaviour lacks from some of the scientific papers from Indian scientists.

Seriously? He blamed Karanth of all people for doing that? From the sounds of it, Sankhala sounds to be even worse than Jack Horner. Horner at least has admitted he was wrong about a certain debate.

http://www.tigertrustindia.org/Founder.aspx

Here something for you to see, because it looks like, that you haven´t studied the subject so much. Just that you get some idea about whom we are talking about when mentioning Sankhala.

Shadow, that's exactly what that article wants you to believe. GuateGojira has read the books from those including Karanth himself, Chundawat, Thapar, those real tiger experts. He even has Sankhala's book, and he knows lots about these animals. So I trust him on this. According to him, when reading Sankhala's book, it's like one is reading about a totally different animal, even coming to the conclusion that tigers aren't territorial, which complete bullcrap. Also, blaming Karanth for many tiger deaths when he only collared 4 of them is just absurd, Karanth is literally one of the world's leading tiger experts. Why should I believe Sankhala when the rest of the leading tiger experts and modern scientific research literally disagrees with him? From what I've heard about him, I can't say I have any respect for him, and that he is one of or if not the worst sources of information on tigers, if you want to talk about Sankhala more, speak with GuateGojira, I'll admit, he does have more knowledge on Sankhala than I do.

Smedz, guess who has spent his life in tiger conservation, Sankhala or Guate? I commented your writing, because you obviously don´t study at all yourself. Guate studies a lot of things, but in this matter some of his claims look like to be quite controversial. Of course if you choose to be a poster, who doesn´t study subjects at all by yourself, feel free to be that.

EXCUSE ME!!! I'm sorry, but actually, I DO study animals in my free time thank you very much, don't believe me? Just look at my post in the Smilodon Populator thread on their social behaviour, I also have created a fictional place called Bakula, where I used what I learned about animals to create the creatures. Speaking of research, I advise you read books on tigers written by those other guys, and you'll see what is meant. Guate may not be an actual scientist, but he knows lots about animals, and is able to even make weight estimations on extinct big cats, so he IS a good person to talk to about this kind of stuff. But if you want to be a poster, who assumes stuff about people, feel free to be that. Like a wise man I know says, when you assume, chances are you do this to yourself

ASS/U/ME 

Well not me usually, normally just you. Great example, experts thought make tigers had nothing to do with raising their cubs, nowadays we know that isn't true, especially after the event in Ranthambore National Park. If you feel heated, I suggest we don't even talk about Sankhala anymore to avoid bad things happening.

You didn´t see my point, well no news in that. And my other comments were pretty much for Guate. I think, that he got provoked by wolverine and he started to "overkill" Sankhala in ways, which I don´t see so justified. Without people like Sankhala there might be quite small number of tigers in India today, that is other side of coin. Funny to see from you recommendation to read some books while you yourself haven´t read those Reply