Asiatic Lion Reintroduction Project

[Pantherinae]

(02-13-2019, 04:23 PM)Sanju Wrote:

(02-13-2019, 03:47 PM)Pantherinae Wrote: They will fight to outcompete the other animal

100 % true and agree.

(02-13-2019, 03:47 PM)Pantherinae Wrote: wildlife biologist does not have any idea how they will react to each other as there are basically no information about them interacting in the wild. 

Then who does? No one had, coz in recent times after science development, lions and tigers never occurred in the same place to record and study their interaction.

(02-13-2019, 03:47 PM)Pantherinae Wrote: A lion will kill a hyena no matter what, and it doesn't matter about how much food there is or how much space there is.

Exactly, the reason for it is not lion is hungry or holds grudge or irritated to a hyena, it is because what you said previously i.e.., "They will fight to outcompete the other animal", Predators continuously predate on other predators when they spot to reduce inter-specific competition pressure on limited prey base and natural resources like water.

Here in this case, hyena is inferior predator when compared to Lion on individual basis, hence escapes if it is a cub, it'll die if not hidden in den.
Same in case of Lion-Tiger too... If a tiger spots lion cub unprotected while lions go on a hunt, it'll die and should die. Death is a natural measure to make animal population in control and ecosystem in balance.

But nothing like you expected if an adult male tiger sees a Lion pride, it goes on suicidal battle. first thing, the male/female tiger does is avoiding confrontation by retreating from the path of lions. Similarly, if a lioness catches scent or sight/sound of a male tiger, it avoids encounter and runs away out of his sight. This is what happens when similar sized predators coexist in the same area. Nothing more... If an old tiger or sick one can't escape a lion pride due to age. It'll be killed and nothing more happens like b/w lion-leopard/lion-cheetah/tiger-leopard like everywhere else.

(02-13-2019, 03:47 PM)Pantherinae Wrote: I don't say they will kill adults of one another, but steal the kill and kill youngsters, especially the species that turns dominat. 

Exactly true.

(02-13-2019, 03:47 PM)Pantherinae Wrote: There is not space for another large apex predator then.

what?

(02-13-2019, 03:47 PM)Pantherinae Wrote: And pre history there was much more land for the cats

Yes, but now land and prey are limited hence, populations of both lion and tiger will be limited and it doesn't mean they can't live in same place at all. More apex predators implies more biodiversity and stable ecosystem.

(02-13-2019, 03:47 PM)Pantherinae Wrote: and they fight in captivity because they are put together, they are aggressive and very dominant species, not only because of stress. Trust me they will fight if they meet... 

Again you are calling animals like dumb machines, they are living beings too... most of the confrontations, one of the animals chooses to escape and dont try to fight with a superior animal.
Ex: will a lone hyena go against a lion pride to fight? hyena will escape and don't fight. Same goes for tiger, if a tiger sees lion pride, it'll escape coz it is outnumbered to fight. and tiger is not god, its also animal. So, the fight amost never occur but predation on sick/old/juveniles occur on either sides to control each other populations if they don't hide/escape from the opposite one.

(02-13-2019, 03:47 PM)Pantherinae Wrote: If the tiger is trapped by a pride it would be killed.

It definitely will and it is required to so. But unlike in captivity, out there in the wild, tiger cornered by lion pride is near impossible coz there will be lots of space in the open for the tiger to escape and even before it can sense lions presence by smell, sight and hearing and avoids confrontation altogether.

and again tiger straying into lion habitat (not territory coz there are no territories b/w lions and tiger) is extremely rare coz tiger feels comfortable in its won habitat i.e.., vegetated forests not "dry" grasslands and vice versa to the lion. So both will live in their own habitats and even though they meet, one of them mostly tiger don't come in lions sight coz its suicide.

(02-13-2019, 03:47 PM)Pantherinae Wrote: The tiger would be treated as if it was another lion, and they would try all to kill the tiger. Same for a male tiger if he spots a lone lioness. That lioness would be in big trouble.

  w**!!!???? Every animal can recognize, its own species from other animal species. animals are not dumb and they do have eyes.
Yes, the lioness will be in trouble coz it can be threat to its cubs or another competitor for the prey animal, So Tiger chases away if seen, but most of the time, lioness stays clear of tiger's sight.

If neither of them happened situation like a tiger ambushes a sleeping lioness, silently and gets a hold on it then the lioness death is inevitable but it is also rare coz gir lionesses live in prides (most of the time). What's special in it? Don't a leopard or cheetah die if it gets ambushed by a lion or tiger if they can't escape and doomed?

It is all inter-specific competition and Lion-Tiger interaction is no exception for this competition and hence, they coexisted without getting competitive exclusion and outcompeting each other by preferring different habitats, if gets get confronted or strayed in each other habitats by controlling each other populations by predating on each other if given chance i.e.., if a lions corner a tiger/juvenile or tiger corner a lion/juvenile which will happen but rarely as most of the time the inferior one of the interactions retreats away from the site, if cubs they may hide themselves somewhere...
They may look same but they are different species of different lineage in Panthera genus and they can distinguish each other.

I’m not calling them machines, it’s called apex predators and they will fight when put together to establish dominance.. 
and they would know it’s a different species, but the treath level would equal another lion, and they would treat it as such. That’s the point. Like lions sometimes let brown hyenas go, but a spotted hyena is different the lions will always try to kill them, because it’s their main competitors. And don’t be stupid there is a big chance the lions could catch a tiger or a tiger to stalk upon a lioness.. they can kill and catch others from their own species and would do so with the other species. Lions have cornerd leopards, so have tigers. Than they can easily do that to eachother

And it’s limited space and if there is an established lion population, with over a 200-300 lions it would be difficult for the tigers to have a established population as they would be greatly outnumberd and tiger cubs would have a very difficult time growing up. 

And you greatly underestimate the aggression of these animals. If they have an upperhand they will try to get rid of the competition at every chance they’re given.. 

And you can’t say they co existed before, because that is a totally different thing.. they had lots of space, with lions living in the open and tigers in the forrest. Now the lions will be happy with what they get and establish into the forrest, because the plains are almost gone. And that will force them into confrontations with eachother. You seem to also underestimate the impact killing of juveniles and cubs will have on a population, a coalition of male lions or a group of lionesses would be to much for any tigress to defend her cubs against and that is where the main problem is imo. Reply