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The Lion King 2019

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( This post was last modified: 01-14-2019, 10:18 PM by Pckts )

(01-14-2019, 01:58 PM)brotherbear Wrote:
(01-14-2019, 10:20 AM)Sanju Wrote:
(01-14-2019, 01:15 AM)brotherbear Wrote: I read both Jungle Books by Rudyard Kipling. He made it crystal clear that Baloo is a brown bear ( even though Disney called him a sloth bear ). The only brown bear in India is the Himalayan brown bear; also called the red bear. He may very well be the smallest of the world's brown bears and ( for a brown bear ) a sweet disposition.

Jungle Book by Rudyard happened in Seeonee's Pench Tiger reserve (or mowgli tiger reserve) of Madhya Pradesh (central India) and there are no brown bears (himalayan) except Sloth bears. Though in Jungle Book I loved it to see brown bear in Movie... Wow One of the best films of my life.

This is true, I'm sure. But while Rudyard Kipling was a great writer he was no animals expert. He made it exceptionally clear in his Second Jungle Book when he writes Baloo the Brown Bear with three capital B's. Perhaps he simply preferred a brown bear to a shaggy black sloth bear. It is pure fiction after all.

Baloo
The true identity of Kipling’s “sleepy brown bear” is a bit of an enigma: Baloo’s physical description in the book would suggest a sloth bear, but his diet of nuts and honey runs counter to that species’ insect-eating preferences. Baloo’s name, which simply means “bear” in Hindustani, lends no additional clues.
“The problem is that The Jungle Book is fiction, and all of Kipling’s characters are a mixture of imaginary types and real animals, so it’s impossible to know the species for sure,” says Kaori Nagai, a Kipling scholar at the University of Kent. But Kipling did use 19th-century naturalists’ writings while crafting the book, and one of his sources was an 1884 natural history text that notes that the common Indian sloth bear is “as a rule vegetarian.” Given that sloth bears tend to sleep a lot during the day and can be found throughout India, most scholars agree that Baloo likely fits this label. And Disney's 1967 animated movie has Baloo teaching Mowgli to eat ants.
Sloth bears, which are found only in Pakistan, Sri Lanka, and India, are currently listed as “vulnerable” by the IUCN, but they “are quite widespread and safe in India in terms of conservation, although they are under some pressure from trade for their gallbladders,” says Ullas Karanth, director of the Wildlife Conservation Society’s India program. The bears are also abundant in many reserves in India, he adds, “where they are especially adapted to eating termites—and fond of honey.”



https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016...e-science/



Pench also claims to be the inspiration  "The story of Mowgli is based in the forests of Central India, in a place called Seoni in Madhya Pradesh. The Seoni region is ten kilometers from Pench National Park — a tiger reserve also known as Mowgli's forest"


Only a Sloth Bear would exist there.

Obviously there isn't a "crystal clear" conclusion since it's strictly interpretive at this stage.


In regards to the actual thread, I'm looking forward to this movie very much, how can you not?
Hopefully the songs and lines aren't changed which I doubt they will be, since they stuck very much to the original script for Beauty and Beast as well.
The Lion King was one of my all time favorite Disney movies and it actually has a bit of controversy as well "“The Lion King“ was billed as Disney’s first big animated feature that wasn’t a retelling of a fairytale or previous story. And while the film took a lot of inspiration from Shakespeare’s “Hamlet,” its originality was still praised by critics and audiences."

but a lot of people claim it as a stolen concept from "Kimba the White Lion"
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/2...72316.html

After the movie’s release, many were shocked by its similarities to a Japanese-created American television cartoon series called “Kimba, the White Lion.” That cartoon, about African wildlife, began airing in the 1960s and was based off of a Manga comic called “Jungle Emperor Leo“ by animator Osamu Tezuka.

Disney and the filmmakers quickly denied any influence.

The company’s stance was that those involved with the film had no knowledge of “Kimba” or Tezuka. In an interview with the Los Angeles Times, “The Lion King” co-director Rob Minkoff said, “Frankly, I’m not familiar with [the TV series],” in reference to the controversy. He also added that he and co-director Roger Allers first learned about the debate on a trip to Japan to promote the movie.

But as author Madhavi Sunder pointed out, Allers actually worked as an animator in Japan in the 1980s, a place where “Jungle Emperor” was widely seen, and its creator, Tezuka, is known as Japan’s Walt Disney.


Image: Imgur

In a recent interview with Fumettologica, Allers said, “I could certainly understand Kimba’s creators feeling angry if they felt we had stolen ideas from them. If I had been inspired by ‘Kimba’ I would certainly acknowledge my inspiration.”

Minkoff and Allers did not respond to requests for further comment from HuffPost Entertainment.

Disney’s denial of any influence inspired petitions and protests from animators and fans alike who believed “Kimba” should have been acknowledged. Well-known Japanese cartoonist Machiko Satonaka, who says she was told by the company that “Disney has never heard of ‘Jungle Emperor’ or ‘Kimba, the White Lion,’” wrote an open letter to the studio that was signed by hundreds of animation professionals. “The Simpsons“ even parodied the controversy in a 1995 episode by having a lion appear in the clouds to say, “You must avenge my death, Kimba … I mean, Simba.”


My stance is that it definitely took quite a few liberties from Kimba but that doesn't stop me from enjoying it, most movies are stolen or reused ideas, it's very difficult to come up with a completely new concept, too much has been done already, especially in the entertainment industry.
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