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(11-19-2014, 11:41 AM)'Amnon242' Wrote: Pckts: well I think amur boars are larger than indian... Anyway, assam tigers are agile (they are felids), but I think amurs are more agile (they are longer, but not so massive...while assam tigers are built like tanks). On the other hand I belive assam tigers are stronger (but amur tigers are in no case weak animals, there are experts who say that amur tigers are extremely strong felids). Buffalos or rhinos/young elephants are bigger than bears or amur wild pigs, so assam tigers need more power but they don´t need agility THAT MUCH. Bears or wild boar are smaller than those assam animals, but they are faster...so amurs need to be more agile than assam tigers. I don´t say that bears or amur boar are more dangerous opponents, they just require capabilities of different kind. Fights among assam tigers? Well I´d say it´s a fight between strong, heavilly build felids...and bigger/stronger usually wins.
Peter wrote "In fights between tigers, size is important. In fights with wild boars and bears, it seems to be a bit different. Size of course helps, but my guess is a combination of strength, endurance, agility and coordination could be a crucial."
BTW I´ve seen Raja taking down a gaur...but I´d say it was about his strenght not about his agility.
Not sure what the size difference between Assam Boars or Siberian boars, so I won't comment on it. But I doubt its much between average sized individuals. I also think Kaziranga tigers would be the stronger tiger as well, but in terms of body size, bengals and siberians are almost identical in length and shoulder height, same would be said for Assam I would assume. The only real difference is Skull size, but actually the few assam tigers that have been measured actually had larger skulls than any other bengal tigers.
I agree that the larger cat will usually win in a fight, but exceptions exist, maybe the most dominate and battle tested tiger of all time, Munna is a large tiger, but he is surrounded by large tigers who are all as large as he is. So what makes him the most dominate of them all?
A good question to ask, I think.
The backwater male is actually a smaller male who has become dominate, so I wonder why that is true, same with T24 who is said to be the most dominate in all of Ranthambhore and he is surrounded by some heavy hitters, T28 and T42 both come to mind, same with his son, T72.
Tigers are massive creatures, even the "smaller" tiger in a territory can't really be that much smaller than the others. They may be 100lbs less at max or a couple of inches shorter, but I doubt its that exagerated between males who battle for territory.
In regards about Raja, a I thought his agility was quite impressive, especially how he avoided the goar attempt of the Gaur, swung under its neck, then applied the choke from his side. Then used his power to keep the gaur from taking a step backwards and killed it in minutes. Same with the attack on the buffalo, he has a throat hold, avoids a goar attempt while still aplying the hold, avoids another attempt, etc.
Its very impressive, imo.
The only way a tiger could or would be more agile than another would be because it has more power and muscle to propel its body quicker than a tiger who doesn't. Lets use amurs as a example,
if they have similiar body dimensions, then the amur would need to have substantially more powerful limbs, chest, neck, etc. But they don't, the dimensions are extremely similar for body size, while bengals actually hold the record in all dimension and this doesn't include the arguable largest bengals alive, Kaziranga and Corbett. If you want to use terrain as a factor, both live in harsh conditions, snow for the amur, wetlands for the Kaziranga and rocky forests for corbett.
Who knows for sure, but I think its truly speculation to try and say one tiger is more or less agile than the other when all are so extremely similar in dimensions and mass.