Captive Lion and Tiger weights

[Pckts]

(09-28-2017, 03:06 AM)Garfield Wrote:

(09-27-2017, 10:56 PM)Pckts Wrote:

(09-27-2017, 10:01 PM)Garfield Wrote: I thought y'all new that, I mean a lot a male tigers are neutered, lions ain't that much cuz theyd lose the mane.  A
 


I'll contact some of the lion guys about Jaipur, Im not 100% sure if its neutered, but i thought it was, Assad or Counter might know.  Maybe ask the trainer or email her, she would probally tell you.  Cats just dont gain weight like that in the stomach the way jaipur is unless hes neutered, i mean like not that much.

Here's a big neutered bro at Sarasota.

You mean a lot of "N. american Tigers" used in "sanctuaries" are neutered, don't you?

Sanctuaries don't breed, buy, sell or trade animals, Zoos do. Then there is also the difference between accredited and unaccredited zoos. (AZA Grants) are only offered to Zoo's that meet certain standards, Roadside zoos or sanctuaries don't operate under these specific requirements, especially not roadside zoo's which are nothing more than average people who purchased exotic wildlife irresponsibly. International Zoos

Amnon has done a wonderful job of posting 100s of in tact tigers and lions from many Zoo's same w/Betty.
https://wildfact.com/forum/topic-zoos-ci...ty?page=10

Hey dude is that a question or a lecture.  I told you bros months ago that i was gonna step up my game an get into some studyin bout these cats.  Well I done it, just like I said.  Cant ya tell.  Just lookin fo some respect here, wanna keep everything here nice and fair and accurate.

Now as far as the zoos and the bigcat places, I never went to some road side zoo, dont no bout those.  The place I went to they said they don't neuter the cats there, they dont believe it, they said they think its wrong because its not natural.

NOw, as far as that place you went to, Lions tigers and da bears, they said they neuter them cats, big time.  But the lion Bakari was not neutered cuz he have that mane, and you have to keep that bro.  Bakari was heavier than all the tigers, but he small.  I think it depends on the place, but fo sure trainers that have to work with them for shows they might have to eliminate the dangerous aggresion.

Now as far as Janipur, dont know yet, I think the things neutered, I mean it just looks it, cuz it has all that fat collecting down low on the belly, an that just not natural.  Not all them neutered boys get that fat, but if they stuff them, they will get fatter than any normal tiger or lion ever could. Because the pounds stay on you, its like a guy who just eats an eats, an sits around on the porch, an like his matabolism slows, so then the pounds just collect an they just dont come off till he can change that metab an then his body starts burning things naturally on its own.  But ya gut a get up an move, an build some muscle an testosterone, them neutered cats have no testosterone, so they cant burn no fat.

Where did you get that the lion was "small?''
He's a good sized lion, as large as any other lions I have seen from any of the zoos and sanctuaries I've been to, just much more heavy.
He was heavier than the two tigers there, yes, but the other male lion who was larger in frame was the same size as the other two tigers in weight, one of which was still a sub adult, but still, the heaviest male lion was a robust cat. But the sub adult Tiger and the White lion were the largest in frame just not the most robust, the white tiger was just as robust as the heavy male lion, just not very large in frame. The most impressive captive cats I've seen still to this day were at the Mirage in Vegas, both the lions and tigers there are very large. In SD and LA zoos, they only have Sumatran Tigers and the Lions are normal sized from what I've seen in captivity.

I'm well aware of the affects of testosterone, hence it was me who told you about the affects in our discussions, was it not?
An intact cat will be just as heavy and look much more physically impressive, it is up to the sanctuary to decrease their food if they are neutered since their "RER" (resting energy intake) is much less.
Thinking a neutered cat will weigh more than an intact cat is incorrect, the largest cats on earth are wild ones, you have some exceptions here and there but they are usually obese for any cat, neutered or not. Jaipur, Simba, Hercules etc. are all exceptions and extremely overweight, that's why looking through this thread you're only able to see verified cats between 180-250kg, anything over that is exceptional, neutered or not.

But the infatuation of captive Lion and Tiger weights is pointless IMO, it's fun to discuss but holds no merit when talking about true size. Do you see anyone asking about captive leopard size? Puma? Jaguar? Elephant? Rhino? etc.
No, because no one cares, but since L v T is such a highly contested debate, people seem to care too much. The fact is, in captivity the animals are selected from an extremely limited gene pool and live in a controlled setting. Most importantly, they will never live by survival of the fittest and thus they will never compare physically to their wild counterparts. Maybe like humans, over time they will become more intelligent but physically they will only be shadows of what they are in the wild. Reply