History's most brutal killers, the Majingilane Male Lions

[sik94]

(09-10-2017, 08:14 AM)HouseOfLions Wrote:

(09-10-2017, 07:42 AM)sik94 Wrote:

(09-09-2017, 07:27 PM)HouseOfLions Wrote:

(09-03-2017, 02:43 AM)sik94 Wrote: The majingalanes are strategic in their attacks but they are no pushovers, they are actually quiet aggressive lions when it comes down to getting down and dirty with other coalitions. The matshpiri male though, the roller coaster his life has been since May and the fact that he is now a lone male without a territory, even a 6 week old cub coming his way would make him bolt. SN probably sensed this weakness and exploited it.

They are no pushovers because they haven't faced any coalition the same number as them of bigger. If you only fight 1 vs 4 or 2 vs 4, they of course you will always seem superior. And another thing, I don't think they are "very" aggressive lions, they are just like any other lion when it comes to fighting or protecting territory. And just like any other lion group, who also got "down and dirty", they did the same thing. This doesn't prove they are aggressive, it just proves they are lions.

First, I disagree to an extent with the narrative that all lions are the same in every which way. The truth is all lions are not the same, there are variables to their behavior and different lions react differently to simillar situtations. Some lions are more passive, some are more aggressive, some avoid conflict while some jump in head first, some will even tolerate other males within their territory to an extent.

The majingalanes are not pushovers relative to some other coalitions in the sabi sands. Most coalitions lose confidence when one member is killed, the majingalanes didn't tuck-tail and just leave after the 5th majingalane was killed. They stayed within mapogo territory and took out KT in the next altercation. I will be honest, the way the majingalanes brutalized KT is something I haven't seen in any lion fight on youtube. The birminghams on the other hand didn't even have any physical contact with the matimbas, being 5 strong they still weren't confident enough to take it to the matimbas. The majingalanes then went after selatie territory in the west when the three selaties were in their prime years, and they ended up taking it.

Lions don't fight in big numbers. 4 vs 4 or 5 vs 5 fights are very rare. Male lions from a single coalition aren't always together. That's why you always have 2 vs 2 or 1 vs 2  fights, because coalitions are split up most of the time. The majingalanes have been in plenty of 2 vs 2 or 3 vs 3 or 1 vs 2 skirmishes, so to say they seem superior only because they fight 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 4 fights is just disingenuous. You contradict yourself within the same post, you say all lions are the same and behave the same when it comes to fighting or protecting territory and in the next breath try to undermine the majigalanes by sarcastically saying "If you only fight 1 vs 4 or 2 vs 4, they of of course you will always seem superior". Laughable.

Yes, all lions are not the same but most lions display the same kind of behaviour to a certain degree with some of them showing more or less of a certain behaviour.

I never said they were push-overs, I was challenging your idea of them being "very aggressive males". Most coalitions only lose confidence when they are in 2 and lose a coalition brother but if you have large coalitions, that does not happen. Of course, the matshapiri male lost confidence, why? BECAUSE HE BECAME ALL ALONE. The manginjis were still 4 strong so there was no need for them to lose any major confidence. Another thing, the manginjis knew they had numbers on their side.

Lol, the manginjis did that only to KT while the Mapogos did that to many other lions. Heck, they did that to their own females as well. T went so far as to kill a lioness, mate with her dead body and then they fed on her.

Seems like you don't actually know how they took over from the selati. First, they started to attack the selati when they got cut down to 3. Then, they caught and mauled on the of smaller selati in a 4 vs 1 and failed to kill him. There are pics of him recovering from that beating. Each selati was fought in a 3 vs 1 style and selati 3 was the only one to die, after he got away. Sure they ended up taking the west but because of numbers. Coming back to what you said, this doesn't show they are "very" aggressive lions, it just shows they are lions. Nothing from this behavior directs to the fact that they were "very" aggressive.

And another thing, the manginjis have also not beaten the 2 matimbas. Just like the BBoys case, the matimbas had a back and forth with the 3 manginjis and then they just packed up and left. It is not the BBoys fault that the matimbas have this problem, if the matimbas would have stayed, the BBoys would have buried them. Something you seem to forget is that when they first took over the matimaba territory, the BBoys were still quite young. Not every young male lion can be like T and kinky!

Literally, most of the manginjis fights have been 4 vs 2 or 4 vs 1. What universe are you living in that you don't seem to know this fact? 3 vs 3? Against who? 1 vs 1, against who?

Mlowathis - 4 vs 1 and then T came in later.
T - 1 vs 4.
Rusta and PB - 4 vs 1, then PB came in later.
Matimbas - 3 vs 2, back and forth, no fighting.
Selati - 3 vs 1 and 4 vs 1.
Gijima males - 4 vs 2, they scared them off.
3 young males lions in 2012 - 3 vs 1 after scaring off the other 2 brothers.
Matshapiris - 1 vs 3, they chased him off and when he got reunited with his brother, they decided it was not worth the fight.
Against the lone fuller maned matshapiri- 1 vs 1, which SN was losing and then they ganged up on him in a 2 vs 1.
BBoys - not a single fight has occurred but they did chase away 2 BBoys so I give them that.
HB vs DM - is this the one vs one you are talking about? Seems like you need another lesson on the manginjis. HB was whooping DM until DM got help from his brothers.

So which 1 vs 1, 2 vs 2 or 3 vs 3 have they actually won? I have literally just proved you wrong with facts and you are calling me "disingenuous". Seems like you need a history lesson.

I never said "very" aggressive lions, I said "quiet" aggressive and was speaking in relative terms. All young and inexperienced coalitions lose confidence when a member is killed, its not due to having one less member per say but more from just because they are dealing with dominant males who will do whatever it takes to defend their territory. The tsalals are a prime example, they are a decent sized coalition but one physical confrontation with other lions was all it took for them to run off in different directions. So, all lions lose confidence when a coalition-member gets killed, not just two member coalitions. 

Engaging another coalition is what counts, if other coalitions refuse to stick together and fight back its not their problem and that goes for all coalitions. Rasta and PB confrontation we don't know the numbers, it could have been 2 vs 2, 2 vs 1, or 4 vs 2 as you said, so that one is all speculation. Matimbas confrontation was 2 vs 2 as londolozi reported, both coalitions engaged each other with equal strength and no contact was made. In the sealtie situation majingalanes engaged the selaties multiple times, they went after them is what matters, if the selaties can't stick together and fight back it's their loss. They also engaged the 3 unknown males, it was a 3 vs 3 situation, 2 ran off and the third was cornered by the majingalanes. Again, the other coalition is refusing to stick together. I know nothing of the HB DM scenario, never heard of it till now. In the recent confrontations where 1 majingalane is in a fight with 1 matshpiri and losing until another majingalane is on the scene, the lone males engaged each other in a 1 vs 1 situation and later back up arrived, yeah they are out numbering their opponents now, they are old lions what do you expect. You are more concerned with who won what, which is where we disagree. I don't need a history lesson, you need to stop filling the gaps with what you want to believe, i.e. the PB and Rasta situation.  Reply