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Size comparisons
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 (03-20-2017, 11:10 PM)Rishi Wrote: @ I'm just looking for concrete proof, it would not just be on youtube or some other site, most people I bet on this site would say the tiger is a heavier weight, or the tigers bigger. But what I saw on youtube from a few guys or it was one in particular was a different argument, and that was the argument of scientific weights only. Again I had not seen that argument before till I saw it being made on youtube. I talked to the poster, and he gave actual sources for the info and data. If someone says something on here, they should give the actual source proving it, because the person compiling data on this site or any site could be showing data from a slanted view point that favors one side or the other. As far as the captive Siberian weights, I was interested in that, because it could potentially prove that the Siberian is bigger, which Ive always thought they are, but I don't know if they're stronger, that I'm not sure. I saw this debated, and several tiger fans were even bringing up a trainer Clyde Beatty who stated the Siberians are larger in his act than the Bengals. The response from the lion fan was well but it doesn't mean Beatty knew the exact weight of that tiger. At the same time some guys had posted proof that this trainer said the lion is a little heavier on average than the average Bengal, which is interesting. The later quotes show this trainer stated the lion is heavier in its front section and neck, but its total weight is not that much greater on the average than the tiger. Ive also seen the food intake argument debated and a whole report written up by a guy named Brent. I think from what you can see, its possible at times and likely that many wild Bengals are gorging themselves, because I looked a recent clip of that tiger Wagdog, and it looks to be a large tiger as people are saying one of the biggest, but for sure it has a huge full stomach in the video, almost looks like a snake that ate something larger than itself walking around. Now I think its important to realize here, a trainer like Beatty or anyone else who has a lot of cats, he can never feed one individually till it gorges itself, all of his cats are going to get just the adequate amount of daily recommended allowance. Yet in the wild, they can eat as much as the want or gorge themselves in one sitting because no ones paying for the prey or the chickens. Likewise, I think we can figure out the real weights of captive Siberians if we go to and talk to trusted places that have many cats like Bigcat zoos, in these places they often cannot over feed them and they have to rescue then and adhere by strict guidelines as to how to feed them. In several of these noted places, its true that they don't say their Siberian tigers weigh 800 lbs, or even 700 lbs that much. But does the lager animal weight more, I think logically has to if its bigger or longer. I recent post I saw someone make on here was from the Black Jaguar and white tiger place. This guys lions are 500 lbs and over. None of the tigers there are that heavy. If you check the Instagram pics, the lion's don't look super huge but they look pretty thick. A found another place I saw recently that was posted on youtube, showed a neutered lion that was said to be over 600 lbs. It died recently, but the place Safe haven stated the lion was the largest and heaviest cat at the facility. What this means is that none of the tigers there weighed 600 lb or over, and there is quite a few tigers there, Siberians as well. This lion kovu was past its prime, it died not long after these pics were taken, but still I think its quite evident it looks immensely strong in the fore-quarters as many people believe, this is pretty evident without the mane covering it. As someone that is into fighting and the Marital arts, I think its apparent that when sizing up an opponent you look at the whole opponent's physique, in a real fight every area of your body must be trained and worked out so that it can become a weapon. I agree the tigers seem more cut in the arms, or more muscular, but in looking at some lions, I think its quite clear the sum of the lions frame seems to show forth a stronger build.  *This image is copyright of its original author Apparently that log there, they said the keepers could hardly move it, but the lion moved it with little ease.  *This image is copyright of its original author It really helps to see the whole shoulder anatomy, and you can see the considerable size and muscularity of it without the mane covering it here.  *This image is copyright of its original author
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