There is a world somewhere between reality and fiction. Although ignored by many, it is very real and so are those living in it. This forum is about the natural world. Here, wild animals will be heard and respected. The forum offers a glimpse into an unknown world as well as a room with a view on the present and the future. Anyone able to speak on behalf of those living in the emerald forest and the deep blue sea is invited to join.
07-16-2014, 10:59 AM( This post was last modified: 07-16-2014, 11:00 AM by GuateGojira )
(07-15-2014, 09:27 PM)'Pckts' Wrote: Im not sure how you rebutted my position?
You said these animals would not make it with out human assistance. Yet these animals will all make with out human assistance. If you mean that these animals must be protected from other human beings and the destruction of their world, then yes, they need assistance. But that has nothing to do with them or nature, that has to do with a outside factor that has the means to stop when ever they want.
Its been proven by the numerous animals that have come back on their own the minute they were protected and put on endangered species list and banned the people from killing them. Notice that people had to ban people. Once again, nothing to do with nature. We are arguing symantics at this point.
2ndly I have been absolutey willing to take Corbetts account, but heres the facts.
He specifically said he saw them, got them on video and took pictures.
So, lets see the video lets see the images. With a image you can actually see!
You also speak of corbett like you know everything about him, corbett has quite a few crazy stories that have not been seen by any other man.
No man has ever seen two tigers take on any large prey together, let alone two tigers take on a adult tusker. I'm not saying this doesn't happen, it probably does, but no images, video or eye witness accounts of anything like that has ever been reported by any other person.
Same with the white tiger adult and then with cubs.
2 accounts never seen by another man.....
Gaute also said Sundquist said he saw one, and If i see a email from sundquist saying he saw a white tiger adult or cub, I think i would be more willing to accept his word because from what I have read and seen, he seems to be a more conservative and realistic researcher, IMO.
Pckts, you are scaring me. You are acting like... Asad!
1. There is not a single account of a large wild animal returning from extinction without the help of humans. There are cases of "invasions" like the pythons in Florida, but there are other factors in those cases. Wild horses, bison and other large mammals, all of them needed the direct help of humans for they recovery.
2. Jim Corbett is one of the most reliable sources, but now you put him in doubt just because he shows wild white tigers! For example, how many times you have defended the account of the two tigers killing the huge tusker, but now you use it to show that Jim made exaggerations? I am sure that many lion-fans would be glad with your words now. However, there is a huge fail in your argument, Jim NEVER said that HE saw that account. Read the book and you will see that he clearly said that some villagers told him that, so he is just telling the story, nothing more. However, in the case of the white tigers, he directly saw it, picture it and his record is in the book. What more do you need? The picture in the book (the digital version, of course) is more clear than many pictures in other post that all of us have accepted. I don't know why you denied its reliability. Why you don't ask Peter? I remember that he have a physical copy of the book. After all, he showed a better version of the two pictures of the Bachelor of Powalgarh.
3. I NEVER said that Dr Sunquist saw a white tigers. I was putting an EXAMPLE, a supposition that IF Dr Sunqusit would saw a white tiger, I will believe in him, just like I believe in Jim Corbett. Be careful with those interpretations.