White, Black & Golden Tigers

[Pckts]

(07-16-2014, 12:26 AM)'tigerluver' Wrote: Pckts, you're doing it again. You're putting words in our mouth as Guate pointed out. You're reading your preconceptions, not what is actually there, making it very difficult to discuss with you, as why should I defend something I am not saying? You said adding heterozygous tigers to a dwindling population would cause poaching and increased in-fighting. I rebutted each possible problem you presented with reintroduction of captive specimen if the population ever came so low. No where was it said to add white tigers to the population if ever needed. Heterozygous means specimens who carry the white recessive gene.

Captive populations are essential in this day and age. It isn't as simple as an animal being labeled as endangered and now the government will do a great job stopping all killing and deforestation. Not even India, a model for conservation has done that. Take a look at Africa, plenty of laws in place, but rhino, elephant, etc. populations are being poached at an alarming rate. Criminals don't live by the law that you rightfully want for these animals. Animals won't be left alone, accept that. It's better to have bleak outlook and do something about rather than false hope when the situation is just all about untouched nature.

Finally, this is enough. Pckts, stop using words "you" in aggressive manners and phrases such as "haha" or "lol" toward someone's argument. That is rude, and causes the debate to become personal. Look at how Guate and I post, we stay from away from personality accusations such as saying "you don't love cats." Learn to debate professionally. Don't question the poster's integrity. Do not laugh at the poster's points. Do not mock a logic they present that you don't seem to understand. All this makes debating disgusting, and thus most of my time I've stayed away.

 

What are you talking about?
You're the one acusing me, yet you have personally attacked me numerous times.
I have provided numerous data and info and have agreed or disagreed with evidence to back every thing I have claimed. Honestly, you chimed in with your own opinions when I have been having a discussion with Gaute the whole time.


Look at this, Tigerluver
"The proof of the adult white tigress is right there in front of you, and you're denying it. Here, the fault is your's, not Guate's or mine's."
I never denyed anything, and my "fault"

then the next one

"You dodge the question, we both don't have concrete evidence. You presented a faulty argument"
I never dodged any question nore have i presented a faulty argument.

Lastly, you dont even know what you're arguing about anymore, you tried to say that nature can't come back on its own, posted numerous success stories of it occurring,
your trying to say that introducing white tigers that have been selectively bred into the wild, is good for tigers? Yet you once again dismiss actual evidence of tiger over population leading to higher tiger mortality, cattle killing, villager interaction, etc...
Honestly Tigerluver, i really don't care what you have to say, this never was between you and I, you simply joined in and have not presented evidence that would ever prove your argument right and mine "faulty"
Endangered species coming back once protected from hunting, proves without a shadow of a doubt that animals just need to be left a lone and nature will provide.

I have denied no facts, admitted to the idea of wild white tigers possibly making it to adulthood, shown that white tigers in captivity are all inbred aside from the freak occurances of white tigers in captivity that people didnt even know had the white gene, I have also shown that the white gene is in wild cats and has not gone extinct because there is absolutely no way to tell that without genetically testing every tiger. I have shown that Ranthambhore is in the middle of a baby boom. Etc.





Proof of both Ranthabhore's growing population and proof of its higher mortality rate that has come from it...

"The forest department of Rajasthan is facing an uphill task to manage the growing population of tigers in the Ranthambore Tiger reserve due to intra-specific fights resulting in grievous injuries and even death of the stripped cats.

There has been reports of five tiger deaths due to intra-specific fight in Ranthambore. To avoid this situation taking a serious turn, the state forest department is contemplating to shift a few tigers from their original home to other suitable tiger habitat areas of the state.In recent past there has been reports of five tiger deaths due to intra-specific fight in Ranthambore Tiger Reserve.

Wildlife experts are of the firm view that to manage a situation where the population of the feline increases beyond the carrying capacity of the area, the only solution is to shift the extra tigers to other suitable areas enabling them to lead a normal healthy life.As per census carried out in Ranthambore Tiger Reserve, there are around 60 tigers which also includes cubs.

Going by the core area of the tiger reserve which is spread over 1,113 square km and the buffer zone comprising 298 square km, the space is certainly not adequate for the current population, feel experts who are of the view that the current population can only be sustain the existing tiger population in the same space if the prey base density becomes high."

“Since such a situation does not exists, the solution is to shift the additional tiger, else apart intra-specific fights, the tigers may also stray out of the park in search of new homing ranges where a direct conflict with humans cannot be ruled out,” pointed out an expert who added that under those circumstances there could also be possibilities of tigers being poached.

As per the management plans being drawn by the state forest department, the surplus tigers would be shifted to Sariska tiger Reserve and also to Alwar and Kota reserve forest areas, said an official of the state forest department.


http://www.indileak.com/surplus-ranthamb...-habitats/




So, I think you and I are done with this debate. Reply