Lions of Timbavati

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(02-08-2025, 03:00 AM)KM600 Wrote:

(02-08-2025, 02:39 AM)BA0701 Wrote:

(02-08-2025, 12:50 AM)KM600 Wrote: Now this makes sense, I have to admit, I was real confused seeing this male especially with light maned Xikukustu being as he’s too old to be their son. Very full circle that tho, Xikukustus being related to Giraffe Male and also moving permanently to Sandringham with the Black Dam Breakaway Pride and then accepting his son who’s also related to everyone above. Some ppl may still say Ross males fathered them, which I don’t believe but even if true, Xikukustus would be related to them through Avoca Pride being a breakaway from Giraffe Pride.

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More fantastic news from Sandrigham, the treasures that place that place kept hidden, are finally getting some light shown upon them. I don't recall there being a male sub with the BDM pride that crossed over, though. @T I N O @Potato @Mapokser @Tr1x24, do any of you recall a male sub in that group that went with Giraffe Male and the partial BD Pride? Also, has that portion of the pride been renamed, or do we have two BD Prides now?

He wouldn’t have been a sub back then, I think what she’s saying is he’s one of, if not the only surviving cub born in 2020 when Giraffe Male and main Black Dam Pride first went into Sandringham. 

As for the second part, this is what I was trying to say in my earlier comment. Xikukutsus went into Sandringham with 3 breakaway BD females, and now there’s 5 females in the pride. I wanted to see if it’s possible that some of the additional females are from the original BD Pride, but their count of 20 lions pretty much puts that thought to rest. It was a lil confusing as the lionesses they sired are no longer referred to as subadults, but adult lionesses eventho they’re not even 4 yet, whereas their brothers from either the same or shortly followed litters are still referred to as subadults. 

So for those of u that are still with me, it’s impossible for these additional lionesses to be from main BD Pride unless Xikukutsus sired zero females in 2022 and therefore the only females in the pride are still cubs. The main pride with Giraffe Male seem to have disappeared almost completely, minus the male.

Ah, OK, that makes more sense, I totally misunderstood what she said, and thought she was saying he was older than that. If my memory serves, there were some cubs that went with them, so that makes a lot more sense. Sorry for the confusion.

I also misunderstood what was said about the BD females, as their being the females that crossed with GM. It saddens me to know that none of them are accounted for. While it sucked that GM died at all, that he was killed by other lions, I believe, is a much better end for him, than other possible scenarios, given the history of Sandrigham and poaching. Sabi Sabi buying that place will now remove that option, or at least lower the odds significantly.

I heard about the male lion carcass that was found, back when it was found, with the speculation that it was him, I was asked not so say anything until it was confirmed, and that confirmation never came, but the assumption that he was gone remained. Now, I really wonder what became of the lions that crossed with him, even though it wasn't the entire BD Pride, it was still quite a few, I think it was estimated at the time to have been half of the pride, of which some were cubs, and back then BD Pride was a big pride. Reply