The Mighty Mapogos

[Rui Ferreira]

(12-15-2024, 07:22 PM)Ttimemarti Wrote:

(12-15-2024, 09:59 AM)Mapokser Wrote:

(12-14-2024, 02:41 AM)Ttimemarti Wrote: Dreadlocks was the “nail in coffin” I guess for the mapogo I know we can’t do what ifs but if dreadlocks had been around when the selatis arrived I think things would be different Mr T was the only one that was “healthy” and in fighting condition in 2012… but whatever happened to Rasta we know the majinagline caught pretty boy but he survived I mean he was beaten pretty badly

Mr.T was still primeish, but the others were in fighting condition too, just not as strong as Mr.T, it was the fights against the Selatis in early 2012 that left PB and Makhulu too weak to compete. Guides thought at the time that Mapogo were favored against the much younger Selatis and I don't blame them, had PB not been caught alone, they may have had the upper hand, but after that they were doomed.

Rasta vanished at the same time PB showed up badly injured ( in late July 2010 ), and 2 Majingis were reported to have injuries too, we even have pics of injured Majingi that date that exact same time.

Guides straight up said they thought Mapogo fought the Majingi, Rasta died and PB was badly beaten, the narrative only became complex and heated because of Mapogo fanatics creating drama, attacking guides, accusing reserve from poaching Rasta and so on.

It went pretty much like this, chronologically speaking:

1. Mr.T returns in early July 2010, Mapogo then move to Londolozi together for the first time in many many months, roaring while Majingis were further east:

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2. Few days later, July 9, audio of some clash between lions happens, Majingis probably involved, maybe attacking Tsalala pride or something:

3. Few days later, July 2010, all 5 Mapogo filmed roaring in  Leopard Hills by Dave Pusey:

OG post is still up in the Londolozi blog to this very day, shared on July 14:

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https://www.leopardhills.com/blog/mapogo-welcome/

Dave Pusey confirming it was filmed on July 11:

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Other posts at the time reporting the same thing:

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Such stuff had been posted in this thread already years ago.

4. Few days later, around July 19, Pretty Boy shows up in Singita, he was badly injured, had a bent spine with punctures on his back and himdlimbs, he was also bullied by his 2 Othawa subadults sons while injured:

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Days later ( July 30-August 2 ), Rob Vamphew films PB's injuries, 3:23:

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Around the same time, in late July 2010, Rob Rutner takes pics of 4 Majingi with a lioness in the North, Arathusa. We can see fresh injuries in at least one of the Majingilane:

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A month later, in August, when asked, Idube replies that yes, it seems Rasta was killed by Majingilane because he hasn't been seen since the fight that left PB badly injured and 2 Majingis seen badly battered:

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Around a month later, early Octuber, Rob Vamhpew films 3 Mapogo ( Dreadlocks, Mr.T, and PB ) patrolling together, he tells his guests, at 2:05 of the video, that Pretty Boy was caught in a big fight when the Mapogo went to try to fight the new coalition, adding that PB and his twin brother took the brunt of that fight, and that "the other one [Rasta] died, we think":

5. Elehphant Plains reports for July and August says the Majingilane took over the North from the Mapogo after killing 2 of their members, Kinky Tail and Pretty Boy ( they mistook PB for Rasta ), the OG reports can be read here: https://wildfact.com/forum/topic-the-mig...s?page=104

6. In conclusion, we have a pretty straightfoward narrative: Majingi challenges Mlowathi, 5th & KT dies, Mr.T is ousted from the North, MalaMala and Londolozi > Mr.T goes back West > Mapogo start venturing East, mainly Londolozi, to investigate and confront the Majingilane > a big fight happens around July 19 leaving PB badly injured, Rasta dead and 2 Majingis pretty beaten up > By August 2010 Mapogos had relinquished their claims over any territory east of Singita, accepting the Majingilane rule as neighbors.

Obviously, there's no absolute proof Rasta was killed in the same fight PB was injured, nor even killed by Majingilane instead of by literally anything else, but given the evidence we have, using common sense, it's very likely that this was what exactly what happened.

It makes sense but some stuff doesn’t make sense too me. I had always heard Rasta and pretty boy went east if Rasta had been killed then how did pretty boy walk away with bad injuries and escape. Only 2 things could’ve happened 1 is a definite pretty boy was caught and beaten up badly either Rasta was also killed or something else which left pretty boy alone and he got beaten up but I’ve come to the conclusion that I have no idea and I’m ready to put it to bed for good lol but thank you for that, but I’m not saying he was poached its just that many lions died during the mapogo era due to humans so it’s always an unfortunate option that it may have happened but without anyone seeing what happened we’ll never know so either he was killed by the majin or poached but given the location I’m leaning towards him dying due to other lions

But what have changed from than to now that we thankfully dont see that much lions getting poached in Kruger? Atleast in Sabi Sands and well known reserves ( Maniyeleti its his own case) Reply