Lions of Manyeleti

[BA0701]

(Yesterday, 06:01 AM)criollo2mil Wrote:

(12-01-2024, 10:46 PM)BA0701 Wrote:

(12-01-2024, 10:23 PM)Rui Ferreira Wrote:

(12-01-2024, 09:05 PM)BA0701 Wrote: Tintswalo giving us the background of the young Orpen Male. I did not know he could be the last of the Koppies pride, basically one of those cubs that last female took off with, after that big fight with the Mbiri Pride. I always thought he was one of the cubs from the Skorro Pride.

" Mandevu is growing up to be a beast" good to know...
I also tought Orpen Jr Mbiri was born in the Mbiri Pride 
I wonder how trustworthy is this video

He is a Tintswalo guide, does a lot of their virtual safaris, so he is certainly trustworthy, though I am not saying he is correct on this matter, as I simply do not know for sure, myself. Though, after he made that comment, it got me thinking. I am in no way saying this is a certainty, but the age, to me, would match those Koppies cubs, more than any from Skorro Pride. Charlie, @EverseenSA, one of our friends here, actually filmed the events following the first fight with the Mbiris, when all of the Koppies cubs finally returned out of the bush, to the pride, even Junior was there, it was an exhilarating video, my wife was in tears watching it (to this day, I have always felt that Charlie's videos were the best made videos of any I have seen, stunning cinematography). Then, later on, there was another fight between them, which left one Koppies lioness, and 5 cubs remaining, and there were images (possibly video as well), of that lone lioness taking those 5 cubs, and heading into Kruger. We never heard from them since.

As for his comment about Mandevu being a beast, I think he may have been mistaken in this instance, because he immediately said how the Orpen Male was becoming a real "unit" of a lion, right afterwards, saying he is even bigger than Mandevu. So, while I might be mistaken, I think he was referring to the Orpen Male with that comment.

Poor Matt.   He is a new very young guide.    I applaud him for trying to take notes and learn these histories but he got almost everything wrong in this video.  

His explanation of The Young Mbiri make son of Orpen sounded like he got mixed up with Skorro YM son of Orpen.   His details on the Nkuhuma Pride and Junior were also all over the place.  

I have messaged him privately and offered to help clarify many of his incorrect details but I dint want to press too hard.    If he takes me up in my offer, I will try and bring him up to date with what I know.    I’m not perfect but van get the general history right

You can sense his unease, just in his delivery. But, at least, as you mention, he is trying, and I really do appreciate that. He had his notes, and all, spent some serious time researching, but just as we had the same confusion here, given they both have been called by very similar names, I see how it could happen. I do hope he takes you up on your offer, as being the sincere offer to help that it is, and isn't embarrassed by it, because he clearly put a lot of effort in. Reply